▲ 243 ▼ [Video] Kamala Harris becomes visibly shaken and furious after being called a “right-wing war criminal” (i.imgur.com) submitted 1 year ago by IndustryStandard@lemmy.world to c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world 402 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 year ago (125 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 125 child comments replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Stop living in the American ethos bubble by only comparing her and others to the politicians within our borders. Relative to what the world considers Left and Right to be, she and Biden are Right wing. She was a world leader. She must be measured as such. Edit: I don't think the message warranted moderation and removal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago* No, you mushroom. I stated the parameters. You're just too myopic to see beyond your own nose. Kamala is right of center, even in the USA. She's not "left wing." She's left of Trump. I don't see a single reference to Europe in my first comment. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (3 children) So you agree that both supports genocide. Most people would not defend trump here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago Ok genocide supporter. You just mad that it is Trump who is continuing the grnocide instead of Harris. Anybody in position of power should be persecuted for genocide support including Trump permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago The munitions are the same size, and the starvation started under Biden. You’re just so brainwashed, it seems to have affected your senses. permalink fedilink source parent [–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) If she bursts out in laughter rejecting the notion of her having a socialist or progressive perspective; she probably isn't a leftist, left-leaning, or "center-left". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago Yes, yes, Anyone who doesn't agree with centrists and their support of genocide and absolutely nothing else ever must be a scary foreigner. It explains why you support republican border policy. Don't want those anti-genocide furriners getting in and giving americans the idea that genocide isn't the only good in this world. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 38 points 1 year ago (105 children) I mean what do you call someone who supports right wing policies and does war crimes then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 105 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 23 points 1 year ago (1 child) My point is, the whole fucking world is complicit. Most of the world is to an extent, but not all the world is war crime levels of complicit. Arming people with the knowledge they'll be committing war crimes is a war crime, full stop. Israel was bombing hospitals and aid workers from day one. Should we be using this to drive yet another wedge among the left? First, Harris is not part of "the left." Second, opposing genocide is basic human decency. For any vaguely left-lesning cause, someone who can't even do that much is less than worthless; they're a liability. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] flandish@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (11 children) how? SHE SUPPORTED AMERICA’S INVOLVEMENT FROM HER POSITION OF POWER. Stop being a bootlicking piece of shit for one second and you’ll realize it’s OK to call her what she is: a goddamned criminal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Packet@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago KHAMAAS!!! Israel created hamas, trough hundred years of genocide and occupation. It is a Zionist settler colonial project created in image of the USA. Hamas are a reaction to exactly that, it is a resistance shaped by generations of genocide, discrimination and persecution. Israel stole the land of Palestine and now wishes to expand towards Lebanon and Syria. And they won't stop, they are the stronghold of the US interests in the region, they are supported by both parties. permalink fedilink source parent [–] flandish@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago no. it is not. to support israel is to support genocide. from its inception it’s been genocide the entire time. it is ok for things to feel uncomfortable but that’s how you progress. genocide bad. ok? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* People are making this black and white when it is very much not. You'll do anything to justify the genocide all centrists dearly love. During the Biden presidency she pushed for more protection for Palestinian civilians and more to prevent famine, but was blocked by the administration. Sure she did. BeHiNd ThE sCeNeS. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (6 children) Not only Harris supported defensive weapons but also offensive weapon. Don't you think giving gaza defensive arms would also save palestinian lives too? Would you also have supported Nazi getting weapons from your country while they comited genocide? The occupying forces and grnocidal state shouldn't have sny right to self defence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago It is permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) It is simple to not go to an aipac event and not to promise uncondtional support. Simple or not is beside the point anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is not. She accepted a position of power that require to fix complex issues so people has the right to critisize just like a parent can critisize a terrible teachers that not do her job correctly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago People who accept a position knowing full well its complexity should be held accountable if they fail to perform. Your logic is like when a parent complains about a terrible teacher, and the teacher—or their supporters—responds, “If you think it’s so easy, why don’t you try being a teacher yourself?” Your logic is so dumb and pathetic permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago You sound so simple. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago It’s entirely possible to want the Palestinians to be safe from harm while at the same time wanting to give Israel funding for the Iron Dome and other defensive measures to protect their people from Hamas. No it isn't. Do you also support sending weapons and money to Russia? Would you have supported it for Nazi Germany? Do you really not appreciate the insanity of saying "it's possible to oppose the holocaust while also supporting sending troops to guard the death camp!" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago* (7 children) Everyone who, from a place of power to do so, aided in a genocide, in the world, is in fact a war criminal. Yes, that’s what that fucking means. Democrats are not the left. And if I have to support genocide to work with someone I will not be working with that person or their movement. It’s ridiculous I even have to say that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago* (4 children) I’m not American, and am working with parties that affect actual change in my country. What YOU need to realize is that your parties are not the ways you affect actual change anymore in the United States. You have two right wing genocide parties. How you fix that is with popular working class movements, not by shaming people who are actively trying to foster them. Your country is the way it is in large part because of people like you shrieking “vote blue no matter who” while the democrats move further and further to the right and help wreak untold havoc on the rest of the world. Edited for the sake of civility. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) American liberals absolutely do not know what they’re talking about at all but you do you, I see how well it’s been working so far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago No, you weasel fart, I think @cruxifux@feddit.nl is very well informed. I've interacted with them for a couple years now. The United States political system is unfortunately well-known around the world. Far more, I'm sure, than you're informed about say, The Netherlands. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (2 replies) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago (12 children) Understand that your American definition of left and right is not based at all on actual, factual analysis of of political theory and based entirely on American propaganda. There are base definitions for these things, even if Americans seem to think that “the Overton window” is relevant in intelligent discussion around the world with these things. Even if it was it wouldn’t shift the actual definition of these words, but your perceptions by proxy. I am referring to the actual definitions of these terms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 11 points 1 year ago (6 children) I’m not European. American problems directly affect my country. And these right wing/left wing discussions mean something. Someone cannot claim to be left wing or have my sympathies when they’re just claiming to be left wing while being oppose to me on every issue I care about. I know it’s hard for liberals to understand this, although I have no clue why. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) Okay, you obviously have no clue what you’re talking about. I’ll leave you to it pal, have a good life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) In no way, shape, or form is what I’m saying racist you absolute twit. If you’re gonna reach that far for something, you should be reaching up your ass to pull your head out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Calling somebody a Racist for disagreing with them is an incredibly common US Liberal comeback when they're all out of arguments. Notice how this very person kept going on and on about "Europeans", and then called you a racist. (Oh, the irony!) No point in engaging with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago I’m not even fucking European! Seriously like what the actual fuck haha permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago Yeah man, like I seriously don’t get it. These aren’t difficult concepts, but American liberals are just incapable of understanding that A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE HARDLINE ABOUT GENOCIDE. Convince your politicians that it’s not okay to do genocide. I GUARANTEE YOU it’s easier than convincing me that genocide is okay. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies) [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago (4 children) By the world's standards, you potato. By comparing her to others in this country, you corndog-stick. By simply looking at her positions, you meatloaf stain. By whom she supports, you pickle wart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago Go troll elsewhere, you milk stain. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 14 points 1 year ago (17 children) Liberals will never take any personal responsibility under any circumstance and it’s really irritating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago Exactly. It’s so fucked up to see. permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (10 children) Liberals loved genocide so much they were willing to lose to trump instead of tell netanyahu no. They broke the Leahy law to do so. They're sticklers for the tiniest policy under all other circumstances because it means they don't have to pass what they ran on. But they'll bend over backwards to support genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (8 children) Progressives will find a hill to die on every single election cycle Centrists choose to die rather than tell your god netanyahu no. As a result, they consistently lose and are unable to enact any change. Centrists are unwilling to enact any change. They only support genocide. Nothing else. Ever. They always get in their own way. They always manage to find some procedural bullshit to consider sacrosanct. But they'll break the law to sell weapons to your favorite person for your favorite activity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (6 children) You're just pretending that the genocide you dearly love is the only winning issue. You know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Progressives could’ve supported Harris and minimized if not ended the genocide with Palestinians still in Gaza. Harris had no intention of stopping arms sales. She preferred to lose to trump than tell netanyahu no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (5 replies) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) Your buddy did not promise unconditional support for Israel the settler colonial power oppressing and stealing Palestinians land for half a century and billions of military budget to Israel. You guys are so dumb with your brainless arguments permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (7 children) If the leftists you hate because and only because they don't want all Palestinians dead like you always have were so damned important to Harris' chances, she should have listened to them instead of trying to court people whose policies are identical to yours in the republican party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) load more comments (36 replies) [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 1 year ago She is definitely a right wing politician by western standards. And shes at least a funder of war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] flandish@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) she definitely is both right wing and a war criminal. she supported genocide… isn’t much more obvious than that.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago centrists want to keep supporting genocide without being called the only thing they have ever been. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago Harris is far from being a leftist, but calling her a right wing war criminal is crazy. She supported genocide exactly like you're doing here. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 27 points 1 year ago On of the things that allowed Trump to become president is the division among those who were against him. She and Biden were right wing war criminal though. Why is it crazy to acknowledge the truth? Because lying and pretending we can be friends with right-wing war criminals might help elect a right-wing war criminal that's not as insane as the right-wing war criminal that ended up getting elected? Kamala and Biden said they don't care about voters who they've alienated by committing genocide. They knowingly caused such division, so they're all to blame for that. Trump being elected can fairly be blamed on them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) She wasn't a rightwing war criminal because she didn't have real power yet, but she was definitely an aspiring rightwing war criminal. Surprise surprise, materially supporting genocide is a war crime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago She did exercise power and influence. She herself confirmed she was actively involved in these decisions. And as Biden’s border czar, she deported so many people that even Stephen Miller is struggling to keep pace with her numbers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago She should have resigned but no she accepted a poaition of complicity permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Stop living in the American ethos bubble by only comparing her and others to the politicians within our borders. Relative to what the world considers Left and Right to be, she and Biden are Right wing. She was a world leader. She must be measured as such. Edit: I don't think the message warranted moderation and removal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago* No, you mushroom. I stated the parameters. You're just too myopic to see beyond your own nose. Kamala is right of center, even in the USA. She's not "left wing." She's left of Trump. I don't see a single reference to Europe in my first comment. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago* No, you mushroom. I stated the parameters. You're just too myopic to see beyond your own nose. Kamala is right of center, even in the USA. She's not "left wing." She's left of Trump. I don't see a single reference to Europe in my first comment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago* No, you mushroom. I stated the parameters. You're just too myopic to see beyond your own nose. Kamala is right of center, even in the USA. She's not "left wing." She's left of Trump. I don't see a single reference to Europe in my first comment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (3 children) So you agree that both supports genocide. Most people would not defend trump here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago Ok genocide supporter. You just mad that it is Trump who is continuing the grnocide instead of Harris. Anybody in position of power should be persecuted for genocide support including Trump permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago The munitions are the same size, and the starvation started under Biden. You’re just so brainwashed, it seems to have affected your senses. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (3 children) So you agree that both supports genocide. Most people would not defend trump here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago Ok genocide supporter. You just mad that it is Trump who is continuing the grnocide instead of Harris. Anybody in position of power should be persecuted for genocide support including Trump permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago Ok genocide supporter. You just mad that it is Trump who is continuing the grnocide instead of Harris. Anybody in position of power should be persecuted for genocide support including Trump permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago Ok genocide supporter. You just mad that it is Trump who is continuing the grnocide instead of Harris. Anybody in position of power should be persecuted for genocide support including Trump permalink fedilink source parent
[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago The munitions are the same size, and the starvation started under Biden. You’re just so brainwashed, it seems to have affected your senses. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) If she bursts out in laughter rejecting the notion of her having a socialist or progressive perspective; she probably isn't a leftist, left-leaning, or "center-left". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago Yes, yes, Anyone who doesn't agree with centrists and their support of genocide and absolutely nothing else ever must be a scary foreigner. It explains why you support republican border policy. Don't want those anti-genocide furriners getting in and giving americans the idea that genocide isn't the only good in this world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago Yes, yes, Anyone who doesn't agree with centrists and their support of genocide and absolutely nothing else ever must be a scary foreigner. It explains why you support republican border policy. Don't want those anti-genocide furriners getting in and giving americans the idea that genocide isn't the only good in this world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago Yes, yes, Anyone who doesn't agree with centrists and their support of genocide and absolutely nothing else ever must be a scary foreigner. It explains why you support republican border policy. Don't want those anti-genocide furriners getting in and giving americans the idea that genocide isn't the only good in this world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 38 points 1 year ago (105 children) I mean what do you call someone who supports right wing policies and does war crimes then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 105 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 23 points 1 year ago (1 child) My point is, the whole fucking world is complicit. Most of the world is to an extent, but not all the world is war crime levels of complicit. Arming people with the knowledge they'll be committing war crimes is a war crime, full stop. Israel was bombing hospitals and aid workers from day one. Should we be using this to drive yet another wedge among the left? First, Harris is not part of "the left." Second, opposing genocide is basic human decency. For any vaguely left-lesning cause, someone who can't even do that much is less than worthless; they're a liability. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] flandish@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (11 children) how? SHE SUPPORTED AMERICA’S INVOLVEMENT FROM HER POSITION OF POWER. Stop being a bootlicking piece of shit for one second and you’ll realize it’s OK to call her what she is: a goddamned criminal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Packet@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago KHAMAAS!!! Israel created hamas, trough hundred years of genocide and occupation. It is a Zionist settler colonial project created in image of the USA. Hamas are a reaction to exactly that, it is a resistance shaped by generations of genocide, discrimination and persecution. Israel stole the land of Palestine and now wishes to expand towards Lebanon and Syria. And they won't stop, they are the stronghold of the US interests in the region, they are supported by both parties. permalink fedilink source parent [–] flandish@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago no. it is not. to support israel is to support genocide. from its inception it’s been genocide the entire time. it is ok for things to feel uncomfortable but that’s how you progress. genocide bad. ok? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* People are making this black and white when it is very much not. You'll do anything to justify the genocide all centrists dearly love. During the Biden presidency she pushed for more protection for Palestinian civilians and more to prevent famine, but was blocked by the administration. Sure she did. BeHiNd ThE sCeNeS. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (6 children) Not only Harris supported defensive weapons but also offensive weapon. Don't you think giving gaza defensive arms would also save palestinian lives too? Would you also have supported Nazi getting weapons from your country while they comited genocide? The occupying forces and grnocidal state shouldn't have sny right to self defence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago It is permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) It is simple to not go to an aipac event and not to promise uncondtional support. Simple or not is beside the point anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is not. She accepted a position of power that require to fix complex issues so people has the right to critisize just like a parent can critisize a terrible teachers that not do her job correctly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago People who accept a position knowing full well its complexity should be held accountable if they fail to perform. Your logic is like when a parent complains about a terrible teacher, and the teacher—or their supporters—responds, “If you think it’s so easy, why don’t you try being a teacher yourself?” Your logic is so dumb and pathetic permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago You sound so simple. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago It’s entirely possible to want the Palestinians to be safe from harm while at the same time wanting to give Israel funding for the Iron Dome and other defensive measures to protect their people from Hamas. No it isn't. Do you also support sending weapons and money to Russia? Would you have supported it for Nazi Germany? Do you really not appreciate the insanity of saying "it's possible to oppose the holocaust while also supporting sending troops to guard the death camp!" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago* (7 children) Everyone who, from a place of power to do so, aided in a genocide, in the world, is in fact a war criminal. Yes, that’s what that fucking means. Democrats are not the left. And if I have to support genocide to work with someone I will not be working with that person or their movement. It’s ridiculous I even have to say that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago* (4 children) I’m not American, and am working with parties that affect actual change in my country. What YOU need to realize is that your parties are not the ways you affect actual change anymore in the United States. You have two right wing genocide parties. How you fix that is with popular working class movements, not by shaming people who are actively trying to foster them. Your country is the way it is in large part because of people like you shrieking “vote blue no matter who” while the democrats move further and further to the right and help wreak untold havoc on the rest of the world. Edited for the sake of civility. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) American liberals absolutely do not know what they’re talking about at all but you do you, I see how well it’s been working so far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago No, you weasel fart, I think @cruxifux@feddit.nl is very well informed. I've interacted with them for a couple years now. The United States political system is unfortunately well-known around the world. Far more, I'm sure, than you're informed about say, The Netherlands. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (2 replies) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago (12 children) Understand that your American definition of left and right is not based at all on actual, factual analysis of of political theory and based entirely on American propaganda. There are base definitions for these things, even if Americans seem to think that “the Overton window” is relevant in intelligent discussion around the world with these things. Even if it was it wouldn’t shift the actual definition of these words, but your perceptions by proxy. I am referring to the actual definitions of these terms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 11 points 1 year ago (6 children) I’m not European. American problems directly affect my country. And these right wing/left wing discussions mean something. Someone cannot claim to be left wing or have my sympathies when they’re just claiming to be left wing while being oppose to me on every issue I care about. I know it’s hard for liberals to understand this, although I have no clue why. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) Okay, you obviously have no clue what you’re talking about. I’ll leave you to it pal, have a good life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) In no way, shape, or form is what I’m saying racist you absolute twit. If you’re gonna reach that far for something, you should be reaching up your ass to pull your head out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Calling somebody a Racist for disagreing with them is an incredibly common US Liberal comeback when they're all out of arguments. Notice how this very person kept going on and on about "Europeans", and then called you a racist. (Oh, the irony!) No point in engaging with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago I’m not even fucking European! Seriously like what the actual fuck haha permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago Yeah man, like I seriously don’t get it. These aren’t difficult concepts, but American liberals are just incapable of understanding that A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE HARDLINE ABOUT GENOCIDE. Convince your politicians that it’s not okay to do genocide. I GUARANTEE YOU it’s easier than convincing me that genocide is okay. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies) [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago (4 children) By the world's standards, you potato. By comparing her to others in this country, you corndog-stick. By simply looking at her positions, you meatloaf stain. By whom she supports, you pickle wart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago Go troll elsewhere, you milk stain. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 14 points 1 year ago (17 children) Liberals will never take any personal responsibility under any circumstance and it’s really irritating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago Exactly. It’s so fucked up to see. permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (10 children) Liberals loved genocide so much they were willing to lose to trump instead of tell netanyahu no. They broke the Leahy law to do so. They're sticklers for the tiniest policy under all other circumstances because it means they don't have to pass what they ran on. But they'll bend over backwards to support genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (8 children) Progressives will find a hill to die on every single election cycle Centrists choose to die rather than tell your god netanyahu no. As a result, they consistently lose and are unable to enact any change. Centrists are unwilling to enact any change. They only support genocide. Nothing else. Ever. They always get in their own way. They always manage to find some procedural bullshit to consider sacrosanct. But they'll break the law to sell weapons to your favorite person for your favorite activity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (6 children) You're just pretending that the genocide you dearly love is the only winning issue. You know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Progressives could’ve supported Harris and minimized if not ended the genocide with Palestinians still in Gaza. Harris had no intention of stopping arms sales. She preferred to lose to trump than tell netanyahu no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (5 replies) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) Your buddy did not promise unconditional support for Israel the settler colonial power oppressing and stealing Palestinians land for half a century and billions of military budget to Israel. You guys are so dumb with your brainless arguments permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (7 children) If the leftists you hate because and only because they don't want all Palestinians dead like you always have were so damned important to Harris' chances, she should have listened to them instead of trying to court people whose policies are identical to yours in the republican party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) load more comments (36 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 23 points 1 year ago (1 child) My point is, the whole fucking world is complicit. Most of the world is to an extent, but not all the world is war crime levels of complicit. Arming people with the knowledge they'll be committing war crimes is a war crime, full stop. Israel was bombing hospitals and aid workers from day one. Should we be using this to drive yet another wedge among the left? First, Harris is not part of "the left." Second, opposing genocide is basic human decency. For any vaguely left-lesning cause, someone who can't even do that much is less than worthless; they're a liability. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] flandish@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (11 children) how? SHE SUPPORTED AMERICA’S INVOLVEMENT FROM HER POSITION OF POWER. Stop being a bootlicking piece of shit for one second and you’ll realize it’s OK to call her what she is: a goddamned criminal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Packet@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago KHAMAAS!!! Israel created hamas, trough hundred years of genocide and occupation. It is a Zionist settler colonial project created in image of the USA. Hamas are a reaction to exactly that, it is a resistance shaped by generations of genocide, discrimination and persecution. Israel stole the land of Palestine and now wishes to expand towards Lebanon and Syria. And they won't stop, they are the stronghold of the US interests in the region, they are supported by both parties. permalink fedilink source parent [–] flandish@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago no. it is not. to support israel is to support genocide. from its inception it’s been genocide the entire time. it is ok for things to feel uncomfortable but that’s how you progress. genocide bad. ok? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* People are making this black and white when it is very much not. You'll do anything to justify the genocide all centrists dearly love. During the Biden presidency she pushed for more protection for Palestinian civilians and more to prevent famine, but was blocked by the administration. Sure she did. BeHiNd ThE sCeNeS. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (6 children) Not only Harris supported defensive weapons but also offensive weapon. Don't you think giving gaza defensive arms would also save palestinian lives too? Would you also have supported Nazi getting weapons from your country while they comited genocide? The occupying forces and grnocidal state shouldn't have sny right to self defence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago It is permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) It is simple to not go to an aipac event and not to promise uncondtional support. Simple or not is beside the point anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is not. She accepted a position of power that require to fix complex issues so people has the right to critisize just like a parent can critisize a terrible teachers that not do her job correctly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago People who accept a position knowing full well its complexity should be held accountable if they fail to perform. Your logic is like when a parent complains about a terrible teacher, and the teacher—or their supporters—responds, “If you think it’s so easy, why don’t you try being a teacher yourself?” Your logic is so dumb and pathetic permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago You sound so simple. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago It’s entirely possible to want the Palestinians to be safe from harm while at the same time wanting to give Israel funding for the Iron Dome and other defensive measures to protect their people from Hamas. No it isn't. Do you also support sending weapons and money to Russia? Would you have supported it for Nazi Germany? Do you really not appreciate the insanity of saying "it's possible to oppose the holocaust while also supporting sending troops to guard the death camp!" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago* (7 children) Everyone who, from a place of power to do so, aided in a genocide, in the world, is in fact a war criminal. Yes, that’s what that fucking means. Democrats are not the left. And if I have to support genocide to work with someone I will not be working with that person or their movement. It’s ridiculous I even have to say that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago* (4 children) I’m not American, and am working with parties that affect actual change in my country. What YOU need to realize is that your parties are not the ways you affect actual change anymore in the United States. You have two right wing genocide parties. How you fix that is with popular working class movements, not by shaming people who are actively trying to foster them. Your country is the way it is in large part because of people like you shrieking “vote blue no matter who” while the democrats move further and further to the right and help wreak untold havoc on the rest of the world. Edited for the sake of civility. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) American liberals absolutely do not know what they’re talking about at all but you do you, I see how well it’s been working so far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago No, you weasel fart, I think @cruxifux@feddit.nl is very well informed. I've interacted with them for a couple years now. The United States political system is unfortunately well-known around the world. Far more, I'm sure, than you're informed about say, The Netherlands. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (2 replies)
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 23 points 1 year ago (1 child) My point is, the whole fucking world is complicit. Most of the world is to an extent, but not all the world is war crime levels of complicit. Arming people with the knowledge they'll be committing war crimes is a war crime, full stop. Israel was bombing hospitals and aid workers from day one. Should we be using this to drive yet another wedge among the left? First, Harris is not part of "the left." Second, opposing genocide is basic human decency. For any vaguely left-lesning cause, someone who can't even do that much is less than worthless; they're a liability. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] flandish@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (11 children) how? SHE SUPPORTED AMERICA’S INVOLVEMENT FROM HER POSITION OF POWER. Stop being a bootlicking piece of shit for one second and you’ll realize it’s OK to call her what she is: a goddamned criminal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Packet@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago KHAMAAS!!! Israel created hamas, trough hundred years of genocide and occupation. It is a Zionist settler colonial project created in image of the USA. Hamas are a reaction to exactly that, it is a resistance shaped by generations of genocide, discrimination and persecution. Israel stole the land of Palestine and now wishes to expand towards Lebanon and Syria. And they won't stop, they are the stronghold of the US interests in the region, they are supported by both parties. permalink fedilink source parent [–] flandish@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago no. it is not. to support israel is to support genocide. from its inception it’s been genocide the entire time. it is ok for things to feel uncomfortable but that’s how you progress. genocide bad. ok? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* People are making this black and white when it is very much not. You'll do anything to justify the genocide all centrists dearly love. During the Biden presidency she pushed for more protection for Palestinian civilians and more to prevent famine, but was blocked by the administration. Sure she did. BeHiNd ThE sCeNeS. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (6 children) Not only Harris supported defensive weapons but also offensive weapon. Don't you think giving gaza defensive arms would also save palestinian lives too? Would you also have supported Nazi getting weapons from your country while they comited genocide? The occupying forces and grnocidal state shouldn't have sny right to self defence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago It is permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) It is simple to not go to an aipac event and not to promise uncondtional support. Simple or not is beside the point anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is not. She accepted a position of power that require to fix complex issues so people has the right to critisize just like a parent can critisize a terrible teachers that not do her job correctly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago People who accept a position knowing full well its complexity should be held accountable if they fail to perform. Your logic is like when a parent complains about a terrible teacher, and the teacher—or their supporters—responds, “If you think it’s so easy, why don’t you try being a teacher yourself?” Your logic is so dumb and pathetic permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago You sound so simple. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago It’s entirely possible to want the Palestinians to be safe from harm while at the same time wanting to give Israel funding for the Iron Dome and other defensive measures to protect their people from Hamas. No it isn't. Do you also support sending weapons and money to Russia? Would you have supported it for Nazi Germany? Do you really not appreciate the insanity of saying "it's possible to oppose the holocaust while also supporting sending troops to guard the death camp!" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Packet@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago KHAMAAS!!! Israel created hamas, trough hundred years of genocide and occupation. It is a Zionist settler colonial project created in image of the USA. Hamas are a reaction to exactly that, it is a resistance shaped by generations of genocide, discrimination and persecution. Israel stole the land of Palestine and now wishes to expand towards Lebanon and Syria. And they won't stop, they are the stronghold of the US interests in the region, they are supported by both parties. permalink fedilink source parent [–] flandish@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago no. it is not. to support israel is to support genocide. from its inception it’s been genocide the entire time. it is ok for things to feel uncomfortable but that’s how you progress. genocide bad. ok? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* People are making this black and white when it is very much not. You'll do anything to justify the genocide all centrists dearly love. During the Biden presidency she pushed for more protection for Palestinian civilians and more to prevent famine, but was blocked by the administration. Sure she did. BeHiNd ThE sCeNeS. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (6 children) Not only Harris supported defensive weapons but also offensive weapon. Don't you think giving gaza defensive arms would also save palestinian lives too? Would you also have supported Nazi getting weapons from your country while they comited genocide? The occupying forces and grnocidal state shouldn't have sny right to self defence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago It is permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) It is simple to not go to an aipac event and not to promise uncondtional support. Simple or not is beside the point anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is not. She accepted a position of power that require to fix complex issues so people has the right to critisize just like a parent can critisize a terrible teachers that not do her job correctly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago People who accept a position knowing full well its complexity should be held accountable if they fail to perform. Your logic is like when a parent complains about a terrible teacher, and the teacher—or their supporters—responds, “If you think it’s so easy, why don’t you try being a teacher yourself?” Your logic is so dumb and pathetic permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago You sound so simple. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago It’s entirely possible to want the Palestinians to be safe from harm while at the same time wanting to give Israel funding for the Iron Dome and other defensive measures to protect their people from Hamas. No it isn't. Do you also support sending weapons and money to Russia? Would you have supported it for Nazi Germany? Do you really not appreciate the insanity of saying "it's possible to oppose the holocaust while also supporting sending troops to guard the death camp!" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Packet@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago KHAMAAS!!! Israel created hamas, trough hundred years of genocide and occupation. It is a Zionist settler colonial project created in image of the USA. Hamas are a reaction to exactly that, it is a resistance shaped by generations of genocide, discrimination and persecution. Israel stole the land of Palestine and now wishes to expand towards Lebanon and Syria. And they won't stop, they are the stronghold of the US interests in the region, they are supported by both parties. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flandish@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago no. it is not. to support israel is to support genocide. from its inception it’s been genocide the entire time. it is ok for things to feel uncomfortable but that’s how you progress. genocide bad. ok? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* People are making this black and white when it is very much not. You'll do anything to justify the genocide all centrists dearly love. During the Biden presidency she pushed for more protection for Palestinian civilians and more to prevent famine, but was blocked by the administration. Sure she did. BeHiNd ThE sCeNeS. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (6 children) Not only Harris supported defensive weapons but also offensive weapon. Don't you think giving gaza defensive arms would also save palestinian lives too? Would you also have supported Nazi getting weapons from your country while they comited genocide? The occupying forces and grnocidal state shouldn't have sny right to self defence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago It is permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) It is simple to not go to an aipac event and not to promise uncondtional support. Simple or not is beside the point anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is not. She accepted a position of power that require to fix complex issues so people has the right to critisize just like a parent can critisize a terrible teachers that not do her job correctly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago People who accept a position knowing full well its complexity should be held accountable if they fail to perform. Your logic is like when a parent complains about a terrible teacher, and the teacher—or their supporters—responds, “If you think it’s so easy, why don’t you try being a teacher yourself?” Your logic is so dumb and pathetic permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago You sound so simple. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago It is permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) It is simple to not go to an aipac event and not to promise uncondtional support. Simple or not is beside the point anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is not. She accepted a position of power that require to fix complex issues so people has the right to critisize just like a parent can critisize a terrible teachers that not do her job correctly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago People who accept a position knowing full well its complexity should be held accountable if they fail to perform. Your logic is like when a parent complains about a terrible teacher, and the teacher—or their supporters—responds, “If you think it’s so easy, why don’t you try being a teacher yourself?” Your logic is so dumb and pathetic permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago You sound so simple. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) It is simple to not go to an aipac event and not to promise uncondtional support. Simple or not is beside the point anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is not. She accepted a position of power that require to fix complex issues so people has the right to critisize just like a parent can critisize a terrible teachers that not do her job correctly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago People who accept a position knowing full well its complexity should be held accountable if they fail to perform. Your logic is like when a parent complains about a terrible teacher, and the teacher—or their supporters—responds, “If you think it’s so easy, why don’t you try being a teacher yourself?” Your logic is so dumb and pathetic permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is not. She accepted a position of power that require to fix complex issues so people has the right to critisize just like a parent can critisize a terrible teachers that not do her job correctly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago People who accept a position knowing full well its complexity should be held accountable if they fail to perform. Your logic is like when a parent complains about a terrible teacher, and the teacher—or their supporters—responds, “If you think it’s so easy, why don’t you try being a teacher yourself?” Your logic is so dumb and pathetic permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is not. She accepted a position of power that require to fix complex issues so people has the right to critisize just like a parent can critisize a terrible teachers that not do her job correctly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago People who accept a position knowing full well its complexity should be held accountable if they fail to perform. Your logic is like when a parent complains about a terrible teacher, and the teacher—or their supporters—responds, “If you think it’s so easy, why don’t you try being a teacher yourself?” Your logic is so dumb and pathetic permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago People who accept a position knowing full well its complexity should be held accountable if they fail to perform. Your logic is like when a parent complains about a terrible teacher, and the teacher—or their supporters—responds, “If you think it’s so easy, why don’t you try being a teacher yourself?” Your logic is so dumb and pathetic permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago People who accept a position knowing full well its complexity should be held accountable if they fail to perform. Your logic is like when a parent complains about a terrible teacher, and the teacher—or their supporters—responds, “If you think it’s so easy, why don’t you try being a teacher yourself?” Your logic is so dumb and pathetic permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago You sound so simple. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago It’s entirely possible to want the Palestinians to be safe from harm while at the same time wanting to give Israel funding for the Iron Dome and other defensive measures to protect their people from Hamas. No it isn't. Do you also support sending weapons and money to Russia? Would you have supported it for Nazi Germany? Do you really not appreciate the insanity of saying "it's possible to oppose the holocaust while also supporting sending troops to guard the death camp!" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago* (7 children) Everyone who, from a place of power to do so, aided in a genocide, in the world, is in fact a war criminal. Yes, that’s what that fucking means. Democrats are not the left. And if I have to support genocide to work with someone I will not be working with that person or their movement. It’s ridiculous I even have to say that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago* (4 children) I’m not American, and am working with parties that affect actual change in my country. What YOU need to realize is that your parties are not the ways you affect actual change anymore in the United States. You have two right wing genocide parties. How you fix that is with popular working class movements, not by shaming people who are actively trying to foster them. Your country is the way it is in large part because of people like you shrieking “vote blue no matter who” while the democrats move further and further to the right and help wreak untold havoc on the rest of the world. Edited for the sake of civility. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) American liberals absolutely do not know what they’re talking about at all but you do you, I see how well it’s been working so far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago No, you weasel fart, I think @cruxifux@feddit.nl is very well informed. I've interacted with them for a couple years now. The United States political system is unfortunately well-known around the world. Far more, I'm sure, than you're informed about say, The Netherlands. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (2 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago* (4 children) I’m not American, and am working with parties that affect actual change in my country. What YOU need to realize is that your parties are not the ways you affect actual change anymore in the United States. You have two right wing genocide parties. How you fix that is with popular working class movements, not by shaming people who are actively trying to foster them. Your country is the way it is in large part because of people like you shrieking “vote blue no matter who” while the democrats move further and further to the right and help wreak untold havoc on the rest of the world. Edited for the sake of civility. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) American liberals absolutely do not know what they’re talking about at all but you do you, I see how well it’s been working so far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago No, you weasel fart, I think @cruxifux@feddit.nl is very well informed. I've interacted with them for a couple years now. The United States political system is unfortunately well-known around the world. Far more, I'm sure, than you're informed about say, The Netherlands. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago* (4 children) I’m not American, and am working with parties that affect actual change in my country. What YOU need to realize is that your parties are not the ways you affect actual change anymore in the United States. You have two right wing genocide parties. How you fix that is with popular working class movements, not by shaming people who are actively trying to foster them. Your country is the way it is in large part because of people like you shrieking “vote blue no matter who” while the democrats move further and further to the right and help wreak untold havoc on the rest of the world. Edited for the sake of civility. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) American liberals absolutely do not know what they’re talking about at all but you do you, I see how well it’s been working so far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago No, you weasel fart, I think @cruxifux@feddit.nl is very well informed. I've interacted with them for a couple years now. The United States political system is unfortunately well-known around the world. Far more, I'm sure, than you're informed about say, The Netherlands. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) American liberals absolutely do not know what they’re talking about at all but you do you, I see how well it’s been working so far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago No, you weasel fart, I think @cruxifux@feddit.nl is very well informed. I've interacted with them for a couple years now. The United States political system is unfortunately well-known around the world. Far more, I'm sure, than you're informed about say, The Netherlands. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) American liberals absolutely do not know what they’re talking about at all but you do you, I see how well it’s been working so far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago No, you weasel fart, I think @cruxifux@feddit.nl is very well informed. I've interacted with them for a couple years now. The United States political system is unfortunately well-known around the world. Far more, I'm sure, than you're informed about say, The Netherlands. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago No, you weasel fart, I think @cruxifux@feddit.nl is very well informed. I've interacted with them for a couple years now. The United States political system is unfortunately well-known around the world. Far more, I'm sure, than you're informed about say, The Netherlands. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago No, you weasel fart, I think @cruxifux@feddit.nl is very well informed. I've interacted with them for a couple years now. The United States political system is unfortunately well-known around the world. Far more, I'm sure, than you're informed about say, The Netherlands. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago (12 children) Understand that your American definition of left and right is not based at all on actual, factual analysis of of political theory and based entirely on American propaganda. There are base definitions for these things, even if Americans seem to think that “the Overton window” is relevant in intelligent discussion around the world with these things. Even if it was it wouldn’t shift the actual definition of these words, but your perceptions by proxy. I am referring to the actual definitions of these terms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 11 points 1 year ago (6 children) I’m not European. American problems directly affect my country. And these right wing/left wing discussions mean something. Someone cannot claim to be left wing or have my sympathies when they’re just claiming to be left wing while being oppose to me on every issue I care about. I know it’s hard for liberals to understand this, although I have no clue why. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) Okay, you obviously have no clue what you’re talking about. I’ll leave you to it pal, have a good life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) In no way, shape, or form is what I’m saying racist you absolute twit. If you’re gonna reach that far for something, you should be reaching up your ass to pull your head out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Calling somebody a Racist for disagreing with them is an incredibly common US Liberal comeback when they're all out of arguments. Notice how this very person kept going on and on about "Europeans", and then called you a racist. (Oh, the irony!) No point in engaging with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago I’m not even fucking European! Seriously like what the actual fuck haha permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago Yeah man, like I seriously don’t get it. These aren’t difficult concepts, but American liberals are just incapable of understanding that A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE HARDLINE ABOUT GENOCIDE. Convince your politicians that it’s not okay to do genocide. I GUARANTEE YOU it’s easier than convincing me that genocide is okay. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies) [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago (4 children) By the world's standards, you potato. By comparing her to others in this country, you corndog-stick. By simply looking at her positions, you meatloaf stain. By whom she supports, you pickle wart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago Go troll elsewhere, you milk stain. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago (12 children) Understand that your American definition of left and right is not based at all on actual, factual analysis of of political theory and based entirely on American propaganda. There are base definitions for these things, even if Americans seem to think that “the Overton window” is relevant in intelligent discussion around the world with these things. Even if it was it wouldn’t shift the actual definition of these words, but your perceptions by proxy. I am referring to the actual definitions of these terms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 11 points 1 year ago (6 children) I’m not European. American problems directly affect my country. And these right wing/left wing discussions mean something. Someone cannot claim to be left wing or have my sympathies when they’re just claiming to be left wing while being oppose to me on every issue I care about. I know it’s hard for liberals to understand this, although I have no clue why. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) Okay, you obviously have no clue what you’re talking about. I’ll leave you to it pal, have a good life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) In no way, shape, or form is what I’m saying racist you absolute twit. If you’re gonna reach that far for something, you should be reaching up your ass to pull your head out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Calling somebody a Racist for disagreing with them is an incredibly common US Liberal comeback when they're all out of arguments. Notice how this very person kept going on and on about "Europeans", and then called you a racist. (Oh, the irony!) No point in engaging with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago I’m not even fucking European! Seriously like what the actual fuck haha permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago Yeah man, like I seriously don’t get it. These aren’t difficult concepts, but American liberals are just incapable of understanding that A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE HARDLINE ABOUT GENOCIDE. Convince your politicians that it’s not okay to do genocide. I GUARANTEE YOU it’s easier than convincing me that genocide is okay. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 11 points 1 year ago (6 children) I’m not European. American problems directly affect my country. And these right wing/left wing discussions mean something. Someone cannot claim to be left wing or have my sympathies when they’re just claiming to be left wing while being oppose to me on every issue I care about. I know it’s hard for liberals to understand this, although I have no clue why. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) Okay, you obviously have no clue what you’re talking about. I’ll leave you to it pal, have a good life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) In no way, shape, or form is what I’m saying racist you absolute twit. If you’re gonna reach that far for something, you should be reaching up your ass to pull your head out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Calling somebody a Racist for disagreing with them is an incredibly common US Liberal comeback when they're all out of arguments. Notice how this very person kept going on and on about "Europeans", and then called you a racist. (Oh, the irony!) No point in engaging with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago I’m not even fucking European! Seriously like what the actual fuck haha permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 11 points 1 year ago (6 children) I’m not European. American problems directly affect my country. And these right wing/left wing discussions mean something. Someone cannot claim to be left wing or have my sympathies when they’re just claiming to be left wing while being oppose to me on every issue I care about. I know it’s hard for liberals to understand this, although I have no clue why. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) Okay, you obviously have no clue what you’re talking about. I’ll leave you to it pal, have a good life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) In no way, shape, or form is what I’m saying racist you absolute twit. If you’re gonna reach that far for something, you should be reaching up your ass to pull your head out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Calling somebody a Racist for disagreing with them is an incredibly common US Liberal comeback when they're all out of arguments. Notice how this very person kept going on and on about "Europeans", and then called you a racist. (Oh, the irony!) No point in engaging with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago I’m not even fucking European! Seriously like what the actual fuck haha permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) Okay, you obviously have no clue what you’re talking about. I’ll leave you to it pal, have a good life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) In no way, shape, or form is what I’m saying racist you absolute twit. If you’re gonna reach that far for something, you should be reaching up your ass to pull your head out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Calling somebody a Racist for disagreing with them is an incredibly common US Liberal comeback when they're all out of arguments. Notice how this very person kept going on and on about "Europeans", and then called you a racist. (Oh, the irony!) No point in engaging with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago I’m not even fucking European! Seriously like what the actual fuck haha permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) Okay, you obviously have no clue what you’re talking about. I’ll leave you to it pal, have a good life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) In no way, shape, or form is what I’m saying racist you absolute twit. If you’re gonna reach that far for something, you should be reaching up your ass to pull your head out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Calling somebody a Racist for disagreing with them is an incredibly common US Liberal comeback when they're all out of arguments. Notice how this very person kept going on and on about "Europeans", and then called you a racist. (Oh, the irony!) No point in engaging with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago I’m not even fucking European! Seriously like what the actual fuck haha permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) In no way, shape, or form is what I’m saying racist you absolute twit. If you’re gonna reach that far for something, you should be reaching up your ass to pull your head out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Calling somebody a Racist for disagreing with them is an incredibly common US Liberal comeback when they're all out of arguments. Notice how this very person kept going on and on about "Europeans", and then called you a racist. (Oh, the irony!) No point in engaging with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago I’m not even fucking European! Seriously like what the actual fuck haha permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) In no way, shape, or form is what I’m saying racist you absolute twit. If you’re gonna reach that far for something, you should be reaching up your ass to pull your head out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Calling somebody a Racist for disagreing with them is an incredibly common US Liberal comeback when they're all out of arguments. Notice how this very person kept going on and on about "Europeans", and then called you a racist. (Oh, the irony!) No point in engaging with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago I’m not even fucking European! Seriously like what the actual fuck haha permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Calling somebody a Racist for disagreing with them is an incredibly common US Liberal comeback when they're all out of arguments. Notice how this very person kept going on and on about "Europeans", and then called you a racist. (Oh, the irony!) No point in engaging with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago I’m not even fucking European! Seriously like what the actual fuck haha permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago I’m not even fucking European! Seriously like what the actual fuck haha permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago Yeah man, like I seriously don’t get it. These aren’t difficult concepts, but American liberals are just incapable of understanding that A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE HARDLINE ABOUT GENOCIDE. Convince your politicians that it’s not okay to do genocide. I GUARANTEE YOU it’s easier than convincing me that genocide is okay. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago Yeah man, like I seriously don’t get it. These aren’t difficult concepts, but American liberals are just incapable of understanding that A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE HARDLINE ABOUT GENOCIDE. Convince your politicians that it’s not okay to do genocide. I GUARANTEE YOU it’s easier than convincing me that genocide is okay. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago (4 children) By the world's standards, you potato. By comparing her to others in this country, you corndog-stick. By simply looking at her positions, you meatloaf stain. By whom she supports, you pickle wart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago Go troll elsewhere, you milk stain. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago Go troll elsewhere, you milk stain. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago Go troll elsewhere, you milk stain. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 14 points 1 year ago (17 children) Liberals will never take any personal responsibility under any circumstance and it’s really irritating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago Exactly. It’s so fucked up to see. permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (10 children) Liberals loved genocide so much they were willing to lose to trump instead of tell netanyahu no. They broke the Leahy law to do so. They're sticklers for the tiniest policy under all other circumstances because it means they don't have to pass what they ran on. But they'll bend over backwards to support genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (8 children) Progressives will find a hill to die on every single election cycle Centrists choose to die rather than tell your god netanyahu no. As a result, they consistently lose and are unable to enact any change. Centrists are unwilling to enact any change. They only support genocide. Nothing else. Ever. They always get in their own way. They always manage to find some procedural bullshit to consider sacrosanct. But they'll break the law to sell weapons to your favorite person for your favorite activity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (6 children) You're just pretending that the genocide you dearly love is the only winning issue. You know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Progressives could’ve supported Harris and minimized if not ended the genocide with Palestinians still in Gaza. Harris had no intention of stopping arms sales. She preferred to lose to trump than tell netanyahu no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 14 points 1 year ago (17 children) Liberals will never take any personal responsibility under any circumstance and it’s really irritating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago Exactly. It’s so fucked up to see. permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (10 children) Liberals loved genocide so much they were willing to lose to trump instead of tell netanyahu no. They broke the Leahy law to do so. They're sticklers for the tiniest policy under all other circumstances because it means they don't have to pass what they ran on. But they'll bend over backwards to support genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (8 children) Progressives will find a hill to die on every single election cycle Centrists choose to die rather than tell your god netanyahu no. As a result, they consistently lose and are unable to enact any change. Centrists are unwilling to enact any change. They only support genocide. Nothing else. Ever. They always get in their own way. They always manage to find some procedural bullshit to consider sacrosanct. But they'll break the law to sell weapons to your favorite person for your favorite activity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (6 children) You're just pretending that the genocide you dearly love is the only winning issue. You know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Progressives could’ve supported Harris and minimized if not ended the genocide with Palestinians still in Gaza. Harris had no intention of stopping arms sales. She preferred to lose to trump than tell netanyahu no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (5 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago Exactly. It’s so fucked up to see. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago Exactly. It’s so fucked up to see. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (10 children) Liberals loved genocide so much they were willing to lose to trump instead of tell netanyahu no. They broke the Leahy law to do so. They're sticklers for the tiniest policy under all other circumstances because it means they don't have to pass what they ran on. But they'll bend over backwards to support genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (8 children) Progressives will find a hill to die on every single election cycle Centrists choose to die rather than tell your god netanyahu no. As a result, they consistently lose and are unable to enact any change. Centrists are unwilling to enact any change. They only support genocide. Nothing else. Ever. They always get in their own way. They always manage to find some procedural bullshit to consider sacrosanct. But they'll break the law to sell weapons to your favorite person for your favorite activity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (6 children) You're just pretending that the genocide you dearly love is the only winning issue. You know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Progressives could’ve supported Harris and minimized if not ended the genocide with Palestinians still in Gaza. Harris had no intention of stopping arms sales. She preferred to lose to trump than tell netanyahu no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (10 children) Liberals loved genocide so much they were willing to lose to trump instead of tell netanyahu no. They broke the Leahy law to do so. They're sticklers for the tiniest policy under all other circumstances because it means they don't have to pass what they ran on. But they'll bend over backwards to support genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (8 children) Progressives will find a hill to die on every single election cycle Centrists choose to die rather than tell your god netanyahu no. As a result, they consistently lose and are unable to enact any change. Centrists are unwilling to enact any change. They only support genocide. Nothing else. Ever. They always get in their own way. They always manage to find some procedural bullshit to consider sacrosanct. But they'll break the law to sell weapons to your favorite person for your favorite activity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (6 children) You're just pretending that the genocide you dearly love is the only winning issue. You know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Progressives could’ve supported Harris and minimized if not ended the genocide with Palestinians still in Gaza. Harris had no intention of stopping arms sales. She preferred to lose to trump than tell netanyahu no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (8 children) Progressives will find a hill to die on every single election cycle Centrists choose to die rather than tell your god netanyahu no. As a result, they consistently lose and are unable to enact any change. Centrists are unwilling to enact any change. They only support genocide. Nothing else. Ever. They always get in their own way. They always manage to find some procedural bullshit to consider sacrosanct. But they'll break the law to sell weapons to your favorite person for your favorite activity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (6 children) You're just pretending that the genocide you dearly love is the only winning issue. You know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Progressives could’ve supported Harris and minimized if not ended the genocide with Palestinians still in Gaza. Harris had no intention of stopping arms sales. She preferred to lose to trump than tell netanyahu no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (8 children) Progressives will find a hill to die on every single election cycle Centrists choose to die rather than tell your god netanyahu no. As a result, they consistently lose and are unable to enact any change. Centrists are unwilling to enact any change. They only support genocide. Nothing else. Ever. They always get in their own way. They always manage to find some procedural bullshit to consider sacrosanct. But they'll break the law to sell weapons to your favorite person for your favorite activity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (6 children) You're just pretending that the genocide you dearly love is the only winning issue. You know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Progressives could’ve supported Harris and minimized if not ended the genocide with Palestinians still in Gaza. Harris had no intention of stopping arms sales. She preferred to lose to trump than tell netanyahu no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (6 children) You're just pretending that the genocide you dearly love is the only winning issue. You know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Progressives could’ve supported Harris and minimized if not ended the genocide with Palestinians still in Gaza. Harris had no intention of stopping arms sales. She preferred to lose to trump than tell netanyahu no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (6 children) You're just pretending that the genocide you dearly love is the only winning issue. You know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Progressives could’ve supported Harris and minimized if not ended the genocide with Palestinians still in Gaza. Harris had no intention of stopping arms sales. She preferred to lose to trump than tell netanyahu no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Progressives could’ve supported Harris and minimized if not ended the genocide with Palestinians still in Gaza. Harris had no intention of stopping arms sales. She preferred to lose to trump than tell netanyahu no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Progressives could’ve supported Harris and minimized if not ended the genocide with Palestinians still in Gaza. Harris had no intention of stopping arms sales. She preferred to lose to trump than tell netanyahu no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) Your buddy did not promise unconditional support for Israel the settler colonial power oppressing and stealing Palestinians land for half a century and billions of military budget to Israel. You guys are so dumb with your brainless arguments permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) Your buddy did not promise unconditional support for Israel the settler colonial power oppressing and stealing Palestinians land for half a century and billions of military budget to Israel. You guys are so dumb with your brainless arguments permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (7 children) If the leftists you hate because and only because they don't want all Palestinians dead like you always have were so damned important to Harris' chances, she should have listened to them instead of trying to court people whose policies are identical to yours in the republican party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies)
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (7 children) If the leftists you hate because and only because they don't want all Palestinians dead like you always have were so damned important to Harris' chances, she should have listened to them instead of trying to court people whose policies are identical to yours in the republican party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies)
[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 1 year ago She is definitely a right wing politician by western standards. And shes at least a funder of war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flandish@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) she definitely is both right wing and a war criminal. she supported genocide… isn’t much more obvious than that.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago centrists want to keep supporting genocide without being called the only thing they have ever been. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago centrists want to keep supporting genocide without being called the only thing they have ever been. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago Harris is far from being a leftist, but calling her a right wing war criminal is crazy. She supported genocide exactly like you're doing here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 27 points 1 year ago On of the things that allowed Trump to become president is the division among those who were against him. She and Biden were right wing war criminal though. Why is it crazy to acknowledge the truth? Because lying and pretending we can be friends with right-wing war criminals might help elect a right-wing war criminal that's not as insane as the right-wing war criminal that ended up getting elected? Kamala and Biden said they don't care about voters who they've alienated by committing genocide. They knowingly caused such division, so they're all to blame for that. Trump being elected can fairly be blamed on them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) She wasn't a rightwing war criminal because she didn't have real power yet, but she was definitely an aspiring rightwing war criminal. Surprise surprise, materially supporting genocide is a war crime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago She did exercise power and influence. She herself confirmed she was actively involved in these decisions. And as Biden’s border czar, she deported so many people that even Stephen Miller is struggling to keep pace with her numbers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago She should have resigned but no she accepted a poaition of complicity permalink fedilink source parent
[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago She did exercise power and influence. She herself confirmed she was actively involved in these decisions. And as Biden’s border czar, she deported so many people that even Stephen Miller is struggling to keep pace with her numbers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago She should have resigned but no she accepted a poaition of complicity permalink fedilink source parent