Several months ago I have PieFed users the option to vote privately, where an alt/sockpuppet account automatically votes on their behalf. Since then I've been watching to see how it turned out.

  • Finding bigots who upvote transphobia (etc) is harder. To work around this, piefed shares the real vote with trusted instances, BUT:
  • trusted instances Announce votes using the primary to untrusted instances, so the privacy doesn't work most of the time
  • Maintaining a list of trusted instances is a pain in the ass.
  • People always ask why their instance isn't trusted
  • Figuring out who the primary account is, could be quite easy if you have technical skills and a little knowledge of how ActivityPub works. It's not truly 100% private.

Plus, cases of admins/mods abusing their knowledge of who downvoted them have been very rare, lately. This removes most of the reason for private voting in the first place.

I'm starting to feel like private voting is not working and can't really be made to work. Thoughts?

63% Get rid of private voting
14% Keep private voting and make no changes
23% Keep private voting and try harder to make it work
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[–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

In my (personal) opinion, letting trusted admins have access to private voting data is not nearly as much of a concern as having data harvesting companies scrape users' public voting sentiments for selling and profiling. The possibility of user stalking is also not great; if votes are fine being public, why don't we add links to every comment showing which users voted which way, and add links to every user profile showing a list of their votes? There already exists a site that can show public voting data, and if the threadiverse is intended to become a large platform, there will quickly be a userscript that adds this functionality. It feels to me like private voting is a positive goal, and trying to retroactively think of reasons why we don't care about it just because no one's thought of a good way to do it yet seems like sour grapes. IMO I'm okay with understanding that it's a hard problem that may need more brainstorming on a better solution for the future, but I feel like completely giving up on it is bad.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago

    You raise some good points.

    One day if PieFed is in a more dominant position we could be able to push harder for fundamental changes to how things work. But protocols are hard to change - that's why email still has spam even after 40 years.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    why don't we add links to every comment showing which users voted which way, and add links to every user profile showing a list of their votes?

    Mbin does that: https://fedia.io/m/piefed_meta@piefed.social/t/2328607/PieFed-1-0-is-released-dev-update/favourites

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Right - I meant why was that not the standard from the beginning on Lemmy and PieFed? I.e., it feels like we originally wanted votes to be private and are only capitulating now because we don't know how to do it. I also know that there's this Lemmy issue where people voted overwhelmingly to not make public votes easily accessible.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Kbin even had downvotes publicly displayed, then made that information hidden.

    Here is the conversation from 2 years ago: https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/455

    it feels like we originally wanted votes to be private and are only capitulating now because we don't know how to do it.

    It's more that with tools like https://lemvotes.org/ , whatever the devs do doesn't really matter, people are going to see votes anyway.

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