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[–] 15 points 1 year ago (15 children)

While I’d like to see the Iranian people not be subject to Israeli ‘acceptable civilian deaths’ calculus and have their country cucked like Syria/Lybia, I'm also not hype on their government leaders getting that same MAD protection as well, because they absolutely don’t deserve it

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You don't build nukes to use them

    You build nukes so you don't get nuked

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Depending on who "you" is that, you're mostly right

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    The only government evil enough to actually use a nuke has been USA. And the only government evil enough to do it again is USA (or maybe their close friend isntrael) Everyone else just sees them as a deterrent

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Stop pretending iran is less rational than the protocols larpers.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Its been, what, 70 years since the last time the protocol larpers dropped a nuke in anger, with thousands of warheads?

    You think the Iranian government would wait that long if they had a handful of em?

    Yeah, they're less rational. They're less trustworthy. And given how untrustworthy even the best governments are, that's saying something

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Why not? Based on Iran’s history, I think it’s highly improbably they would use nukes offensively. They have every reason to want to develop a nuke. It’s likely that they even have the capacity to make one. Even then, they’ve refused to. All evidence points to the fact that they genuinely want peace. All of their responses to either American or Israeli attacks have been very limited. Even their allies all seem primarily interested in self defense.

    While the government may not be to your liking, having nukes is not going to prevent organic resistance. In fact, having a real deterrent against foreign military intervention ensures that the people of Iran can focus on fighting for their personal freedoms and not their very lives. In the past there have been real protest movements in favor of social reform. Now though? Iranians are demonstrating in defiance of Israel and in support of the Iranian state.

    To be clear, I’m not exactly a fan of nuclear proliferation. However, in a world where the only country to ever use nukes as a weapon and their genocidal proxy are aiming to obliterate your country, having a nuclear deterrent makes everyone safer.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    As you’ve said, they’ve had a track record of power competition and want their sphere of influence in the region, but repeatedly have shown refrain towards other nations during times of escalation.

    Iran had (/has?) a chemical weapons program after the Iran-Iraq war, and guess what? There never was a VX nerve gas attack on Tel Aviv. I’m not remotely concerned with them using a nuke offensively, because they’ve exercised restraint repeatedly when they did have other weapons of mass destruction. And they’ve proven they have the capability to get past Israel and allied missile defense, so it’s not a capability gap either

    All this hand wringing over “they cannot have a bomb under any circumstances” is unspoken MAD calculus - because then Israel would be on a level playing field as far as ultimate escalation and regime security, and that’d be intolerable for Bibi/the US’s/Gulf State plans for the region.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Iran "seems to want peace" because they throw weapons and money at terrorist organisations to do their dirty work instead. They are not, and have never been interested in peace, they just don't like having their name associated with the actions, so they hire outside help to murder people instead. With the amount of support through money, weapons and supplies Iran has given the Houthis and Hamas, do you really want them to have access to nuclear weapons?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I feel with the clear and present danger of being attacked nuclearly by 2 of the most heavily nuclear armed nation USA and Israel, if any country does deserve nuclear arms if only as a deterrent, is Iran.

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