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Framework supporting far-right racists? (community.frame.work)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/technology@lemmy.world
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Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I'm disappointed in framework's answer so far

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[+] -6 points 1 year ago (14 children)

People who vote for a particular party generally don't agree with 100% of that party's platform. Just because someone voted for a party that has transphobia-motivated policies doesn't mean they are transphobic. The correlation may be high, but it's far from 100%.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (13 children)

    You're right, they are just performing hateful acts towards trans people, they may be doing it out of laziness or ignorance rather than actually hating trans people. As we all know, materially helping an anti trans cause doesn't mean you hate trans people in the same way materially helping terrorists doesn't make you a terrorist. Ex: our friends and allies in Saudi Arabia.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Voting isn't a hateful act. Any insinuation of that needs to stop.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    Voting can absolutely be a hateful act, I literally can't imagine what happens in your brain that makes you think otherwise. The entire US 2024 election was hate vs not-the-hate-guy. A vengeance fantasy for middle aged white men.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    No, if you think that, your brain is twisted by whatever spin your preferred media choice puts on.

    The 2024 election was more about people wanting to see change, and one candidate clearly offering it and the other clearly not. Look at Harris' polling timeline, she was doing well up until the beginning of October, so what happened? For example, she wouldn't change anything from Biden's first term, except having a Republican in the cabinet. Trump took that and ran with that, and I think that describes her support dropping around that time. People were unhappy with Biden's first term, and she wouldn't say anything bad about it. I didn't watch the 60 minutes interview, but I'm guessing that went similarly.

    I think most thought Trump was mostly rhetoric except the couple things they cared about. I think most thought he was bluffing about tariffs (or thought they'd work differently), thought he'd actually bring prices down, etc, which explains his cratering support so far. The average voter is kinda dumb/naive, but I don't think they were largely voting on hate against immigrants, trans people, etc.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    I dunno I've watched enough of the maga people talk to be pretty confident they just hate the world.

    The "this guy will shake things up" argument would make sense if he hadn't already been our single most corrupt president in a generation (until 47)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    You seem to be talking about influencers and whatnot. I'm talking about your average Joe in the middle that doesn't really follow politics but was mad at things getting more expensive over Biden's term. They aren't large in numbers, but they tend to determine elections.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Ah, yes, there are also the terminally dumb and uneducated. But those people are just weaponized votes. They don't appear to have their own thoughts or agency, just mindless drones following whatever their one podcast or one cable network or their one YouTube guy tells them to do.

    But no, there's also plenty of videos of random magas in various formats, and a driving factor for those people appears to be hate (with a healthy mix of not understanding the concept of cause and effect)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The messaging was:

    • Harris - I agree with everything Biden's did and wouldn't change a thing
    • Trump - Biden's economy was a mess and I'm going to fix it

    What do you expect the average person to take away from that?

    Harris ran an awful campaign IMO, so it's not surprising that people opted for the alternative.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What do I expect them to think? "Trump was a shit president last time, why would I give him another shot"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    To the average voter who doesn't follow things very closely, the options were basically:

    • bad, but the same as the previous admin, which did stuff that negatively impacted me
    • bad, but different; the last time they were in office, they didn't do things that impacted me too much

    Unfortunately, far too many people blame the economy on the sitting President, when they often have little influence on it. Trump was president during an economic boom, and got out just as COVID was going. Biden was president through COVID, and by all accounts was incapable of the job during at least part of his term. What do you expect the average person to do who doesn't follow politics closely but catches bits and pieces closer to the election? Of course they'll go with the person promising change over the person promising the status quo...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I’m talking about your average Joe in the middle that doesn’t really follow politics but was mad at things getting more expensive over Biden’s term.

    Ah, yes, there are also the terminally dumb and uneducated.

    This is the response to people being unhappy prices sharply increased under Biden? People are hardly 'dumb and uneducated' for not liking price increases...

    A statement that will always remain relevant: "It's the economy, stupid."

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    No, they arent dumb for not liking price increases. It's the lack of understanding of cause and effect that makes them dumb, not liking or disliking an effect.

    The reason that saying is relevant is because people are stupid. The president has to care about the economy but the reverse is almost never true

    Of course as with many situations, trump is the exception to the rule: because congress isn't doing its job and is allowing trump to randomly increase costs by 100% then 50% then 200% then 100% over the course of a single summer, he has had an outsized impact on the economy in a way that no other president has had for generations. And he managed to do it twice, the first time bungling covid so badly that he contributed heavily to the massive inflation we've experienced since he was last in office.

    The economy grows on stability, not random acts of chaos, violence, and retribution.

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