▲ 223 ▼ "Anti-ai arguments literally support eugenics" (lemmy.dbzer0.com) submitted 1 year ago by irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/techtakes@awful.systems locked 90 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] ook@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 year ago (13 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 30 points 1 year ago (12 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago (7 children) So they're attributing personhood to AI. Before it has come anywhere close to meaningfully mimicking conciousness. Are they stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 15 points 1 year ago (1 child) AI believers believe that stringing random words together is equal to consciousness, they absolutely are stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago Perhaps because it reflects their level of consciousness. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah that was my biggest takeaway is these posts seem to assume sentience in what's little more than a sophisticated "most likely next word" generator. There's tons of cool things that can be done with these new machine learning tools, but they are not sentient, they are not close to sentience and we may never invent artificial sentience. The one thing we now know for sure is we can damn well convince people of sentience artificially far more easily than I ever suspected permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago We'll get true AI one day, but the timeline and methods are up in the air. I'm not even sure LLMs will be a piece of the puzzle. Guess we'll learn something from the exercise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I always assume people like this are suburban white boys with nothing better to bitch about. I would love to see them explain how clanker is a racist term to people that actually experience racism. I'm a middle-aged white guy and one of my only friends is the young black guy down the street. Having a giggle because I can see the look on his face while I explain all this. "I'm listening and trying to take you seriously while not laughing my ass off in your face." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) There is some examples out there of people making racist skits, with the dialog barely shifted to give it the veneer of being about robots. A month back there was an infamous tick tok telling "Rosa Sparks" to "get to the back of the bus". It's pretty awful. It also doesn't really have anything to do with AI criticisms. Racists telling the same "jokes" they've always told one another. But people who've bought into the AI hype don't really have a response to the AI criticisms, so its in their interest to build up what is a pretty tenuous connection, lest the cognitive dissonance set in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Racists can dog whistle about anything. There's no stamping that out, can't win against that. Trying to go after anything and everything they "code" about is playing whack-a-mole, no point. In any case, they're immune to having their hypocrisy called out. Can't win that game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] V0ldek@awful.systems 19 points 1 year ago (2 children) "If you said something different you would've said something different" what brilliant rhetoric, your mom must be proud permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) OP isn't saying that, they're showing someone else's opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] V0ldek@awful.systems 4 points 1 year ago What brilliant observation, your mom must be proud permalink fedilink source parent [–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* Ah makes sense now! So if I change the meaning, then the meaning changes. Man, that’s brilliant! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 30 points 1 year ago (12 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago (7 children) So they're attributing personhood to AI. Before it has come anywhere close to meaningfully mimicking conciousness. Are they stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 15 points 1 year ago (1 child) AI believers believe that stringing random words together is equal to consciousness, they absolutely are stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago Perhaps because it reflects their level of consciousness. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah that was my biggest takeaway is these posts seem to assume sentience in what's little more than a sophisticated "most likely next word" generator. There's tons of cool things that can be done with these new machine learning tools, but they are not sentient, they are not close to sentience and we may never invent artificial sentience. The one thing we now know for sure is we can damn well convince people of sentience artificially far more easily than I ever suspected permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago We'll get true AI one day, but the timeline and methods are up in the air. I'm not even sure LLMs will be a piece of the puzzle. Guess we'll learn something from the exercise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I always assume people like this are suburban white boys with nothing better to bitch about. I would love to see them explain how clanker is a racist term to people that actually experience racism. I'm a middle-aged white guy and one of my only friends is the young black guy down the street. Having a giggle because I can see the look on his face while I explain all this. "I'm listening and trying to take you seriously while not laughing my ass off in your face." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) There is some examples out there of people making racist skits, with the dialog barely shifted to give it the veneer of being about robots. A month back there was an infamous tick tok telling "Rosa Sparks" to "get to the back of the bus". It's pretty awful. It also doesn't really have anything to do with AI criticisms. Racists telling the same "jokes" they've always told one another. But people who've bought into the AI hype don't really have a response to the AI criticisms, so its in their interest to build up what is a pretty tenuous connection, lest the cognitive dissonance set in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Racists can dog whistle about anything. There's no stamping that out, can't win against that. Trying to go after anything and everything they "code" about is playing whack-a-mole, no point. In any case, they're immune to having their hypocrisy called out. Can't win that game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] V0ldek@awful.systems 19 points 1 year ago (2 children) "If you said something different you would've said something different" what brilliant rhetoric, your mom must be proud permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) OP isn't saying that, they're showing someone else's opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] V0ldek@awful.systems 4 points 1 year ago What brilliant observation, your mom must be proud permalink fedilink source parent [–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* Ah makes sense now! So if I change the meaning, then the meaning changes. Man, that’s brilliant! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago (7 children) So they're attributing personhood to AI. Before it has come anywhere close to meaningfully mimicking conciousness. Are they stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 15 points 1 year ago (1 child) AI believers believe that stringing random words together is equal to consciousness, they absolutely are stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago Perhaps because it reflects their level of consciousness. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah that was my biggest takeaway is these posts seem to assume sentience in what's little more than a sophisticated "most likely next word" generator. There's tons of cool things that can be done with these new machine learning tools, but they are not sentient, they are not close to sentience and we may never invent artificial sentience. The one thing we now know for sure is we can damn well convince people of sentience artificially far more easily than I ever suspected permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago We'll get true AI one day, but the timeline and methods are up in the air. I'm not even sure LLMs will be a piece of the puzzle. Guess we'll learn something from the exercise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I always assume people like this are suburban white boys with nothing better to bitch about. I would love to see them explain how clanker is a racist term to people that actually experience racism. I'm a middle-aged white guy and one of my only friends is the young black guy down the street. Having a giggle because I can see the look on his face while I explain all this. "I'm listening and trying to take you seriously while not laughing my ass off in your face." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) There is some examples out there of people making racist skits, with the dialog barely shifted to give it the veneer of being about robots. A month back there was an infamous tick tok telling "Rosa Sparks" to "get to the back of the bus". It's pretty awful. It also doesn't really have anything to do with AI criticisms. Racists telling the same "jokes" they've always told one another. But people who've bought into the AI hype don't really have a response to the AI criticisms, so its in their interest to build up what is a pretty tenuous connection, lest the cognitive dissonance set in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Racists can dog whistle about anything. There's no stamping that out, can't win against that. Trying to go after anything and everything they "code" about is playing whack-a-mole, no point. In any case, they're immune to having their hypocrisy called out. Can't win that game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 15 points 1 year ago (1 child) AI believers believe that stringing random words together is equal to consciousness, they absolutely are stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago Perhaps because it reflects their level of consciousness. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago Perhaps because it reflects their level of consciousness. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah that was my biggest takeaway is these posts seem to assume sentience in what's little more than a sophisticated "most likely next word" generator. There's tons of cool things that can be done with these new machine learning tools, but they are not sentient, they are not close to sentience and we may never invent artificial sentience. The one thing we now know for sure is we can damn well convince people of sentience artificially far more easily than I ever suspected permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago We'll get true AI one day, but the timeline and methods are up in the air. I'm not even sure LLMs will be a piece of the puzzle. Guess we'll learn something from the exercise. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago We'll get true AI one day, but the timeline and methods are up in the air. I'm not even sure LLMs will be a piece of the puzzle. Guess we'll learn something from the exercise. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I always assume people like this are suburban white boys with nothing better to bitch about. I would love to see them explain how clanker is a racist term to people that actually experience racism. I'm a middle-aged white guy and one of my only friends is the young black guy down the street. Having a giggle because I can see the look on his face while I explain all this. "I'm listening and trying to take you seriously while not laughing my ass off in your face." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) There is some examples out there of people making racist skits, with the dialog barely shifted to give it the veneer of being about robots. A month back there was an infamous tick tok telling "Rosa Sparks" to "get to the back of the bus". It's pretty awful. It also doesn't really have anything to do with AI criticisms. Racists telling the same "jokes" they've always told one another. But people who've bought into the AI hype don't really have a response to the AI criticisms, so its in their interest to build up what is a pretty tenuous connection, lest the cognitive dissonance set in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Racists can dog whistle about anything. There's no stamping that out, can't win against that. Trying to go after anything and everything they "code" about is playing whack-a-mole, no point. In any case, they're immune to having their hypocrisy called out. Can't win that game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) There is some examples out there of people making racist skits, with the dialog barely shifted to give it the veneer of being about robots. A month back there was an infamous tick tok telling "Rosa Sparks" to "get to the back of the bus". It's pretty awful. It also doesn't really have anything to do with AI criticisms. Racists telling the same "jokes" they've always told one another. But people who've bought into the AI hype don't really have a response to the AI criticisms, so its in their interest to build up what is a pretty tenuous connection, lest the cognitive dissonance set in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Racists can dog whistle about anything. There's no stamping that out, can't win against that. Trying to go after anything and everything they "code" about is playing whack-a-mole, no point. In any case, they're immune to having their hypocrisy called out. Can't win that game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Racists can dog whistle about anything. There's no stamping that out, can't win against that. Trying to go after anything and everything they "code" about is playing whack-a-mole, no point. In any case, they're immune to having their hypocrisy called out. Can't win that game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 19 points 1 year ago (2 children) "If you said something different you would've said something different" what brilliant rhetoric, your mom must be proud permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) OP isn't saying that, they're showing someone else's opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] V0ldek@awful.systems 4 points 1 year ago What brilliant observation, your mom must be proud permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) OP isn't saying that, they're showing someone else's opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] V0ldek@awful.systems 4 points 1 year ago What brilliant observation, your mom must be proud permalink fedilink source parent
[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 4 points 1 year ago What brilliant observation, your mom must be proud permalink fedilink source parent
[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* Ah makes sense now! So if I change the meaning, then the meaning changes. Man, that’s brilliant! permalink fedilink source parent