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Dave Chappelle Criticizes Free Speech in America at Saudi Arabia Comedy Festival (www.hollywoodreporter.com)
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[–] 13 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

Counterpoint: If America gave a fuck about women it

  1. Wouldn't have bought oil from a repressive regime that suppressed woman's rights for decades and continues to do so.

  2. Elected a pedophile rapist who engaged in the trafficking of girls.

  3. Mourned and idolized a man who spread a religiously driven message that women should submit to men.

Unless you're saying supporting either nation implies a lack of support for women. Which would be an undoubtedly reasonable position.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I am intimately familiar with the ongoing hatred for women among Americans. Supreme Court rulings, legislative action, and modern campaigns for a return to lives of drudgery and involuntary childbearing are not even trying to sugarcoat the fact that we are considered lesser beings, despite being necessary for population growth.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Perhaps we can have a slightly more granular system than giving a fuck, yes/no, 1 or 0, black and white. May I suggest perhaps we count how many fucks a country has to give for women? On that scale, we would properly see that the US gives far, far more fucks about women than Saudi Arabia. I’ve been there. Do not casually equate the two.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Yes we can have a granular system but then do we acknowledge:

    1. Saudi Arabia has made more progress in the right direction (though dictator driven) while the US has elected a rapist, pedophile trafficker of girls who is keen on undoing progress on woman's rights. One who was elected by millions of voters which suggests that many agree with his worldview.

    2. That neither country respects women, even if one has developed more protections overall.

    3. Whether your god is Capitalism or a religious deity, women are seen as having less value (monerarily or spiritually).

    Please don't oversimplify my efforts to bring nuance to this discussion. Making a simple 'Saudi Arabia is worse than the US' statement without appropriate context opens the door to two inhumane outcomes that I cannot tolerate.

    1. The dehumanization of people in Saudi Arabia for having perceivably less progressive values. We can disagree with people and their value system without forgetting their humanity. Unfortunately such arguments were used during the colonial era by Western powers to justify inumerable immoral acts.

    2. The dismissal of challenges faced by women in the US because women in other nations 'have it worse'.

    So while I firmly believe both countries are in the category of 'Needs Improvement' I am wary of reductive arguments being used to materially worsen conditions for women both here and there.

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