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[+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago* (5 children) Hi, anarchist here. What word should we use to differentiate y'all from us? Liberals use tankie to mean anyone further left than biden (and it obv has a strong negative connotation), and y'all define authoritarian and state in a way that makes those labels unhelpful. Without having to know someone's specific ideology, what word should be used if not authoritarian? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml [S] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children) The entire "authoritarian" vs "anti-authoritarian" distinction doesn't correspond to reality, and isn't real. There is no history of any human society, that doesn't make rules, norms, and customs for their group, and enforce them. "Authoritarianism", just like "Totalitarianism", are only used to demonize workers and working-class movements who dared to construct systems existing outside of capitalist authority. Even the historical anarchist experiments found that they needed to enforce rules if they didn't want to deconstruct within days, and were also labelled as "authoritarian" by opponents to their left and right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yeah, I'm familiar with this argument, I just don't agree with the way you're using the word (and tbh I don't think it's worth arguing over- I just want a better word to use to avoid having to avoid this argument) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm trying to find a word that I can use in contexts like, e.g., "As an anarchist, I don't agree with ____s." I can't do that with socialists and communists because I do jive with libertarian socialists and anarcho-communists. I suppose the only safe option is to just be specific and say Marxists/Maoists/etc, but I was hoping there'd be a word to describe the "archist" component of these ideologies that I don't vibe with without having to get so specific. Can we just steal "archists" back? Lol (From Marsden, I mean) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago Fantastic, thanks! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Idk I feel like that's not the kind of distinction I'm looking for, because I like anarcho-communism Edit: Re: @m532@lemmygrad.ml If anarcho-communism isn’t communism, why is “communism” in its name? What? I didn't say it's not communism, I'm saying that calling y'all communists isn't necessarily a distinction from anarchists, bc there's an anarchist version of communism. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago* (5 children) Hi, anarchist here. What word should we use to differentiate y'all from us? Liberals use tankie to mean anyone further left than biden (and it obv has a strong negative connotation), and y'all define authoritarian and state in a way that makes those labels unhelpful. Without having to know someone's specific ideology, what word should be used if not authoritarian? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml [S] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children) The entire "authoritarian" vs "anti-authoritarian" distinction doesn't correspond to reality, and isn't real. There is no history of any human society, that doesn't make rules, norms, and customs for their group, and enforce them. "Authoritarianism", just like "Totalitarianism", are only used to demonize workers and working-class movements who dared to construct systems existing outside of capitalist authority. Even the historical anarchist experiments found that they needed to enforce rules if they didn't want to deconstruct within days, and were also labelled as "authoritarian" by opponents to their left and right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yeah, I'm familiar with this argument, I just don't agree with the way you're using the word (and tbh I don't think it's worth arguing over- I just want a better word to use to avoid having to avoid this argument) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm trying to find a word that I can use in contexts like, e.g., "As an anarchist, I don't agree with ____s." I can't do that with socialists and communists because I do jive with libertarian socialists and anarcho-communists. I suppose the only safe option is to just be specific and say Marxists/Maoists/etc, but I was hoping there'd be a word to describe the "archist" component of these ideologies that I don't vibe with without having to get so specific. Can we just steal "archists" back? Lol (From Marsden, I mean) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago Fantastic, thanks! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Idk I feel like that's not the kind of distinction I'm looking for, because I like anarcho-communism Edit: Re: @m532@lemmygrad.ml If anarcho-communism isn’t communism, why is “communism” in its name? What? I didn't say it's not communism, I'm saying that calling y'all communists isn't necessarily a distinction from anarchists, bc there's an anarchist version of communism. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml [S] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children) The entire "authoritarian" vs "anti-authoritarian" distinction doesn't correspond to reality, and isn't real. There is no history of any human society, that doesn't make rules, norms, and customs for their group, and enforce them. "Authoritarianism", just like "Totalitarianism", are only used to demonize workers and working-class movements who dared to construct systems existing outside of capitalist authority. Even the historical anarchist experiments found that they needed to enforce rules if they didn't want to deconstruct within days, and were also labelled as "authoritarian" by opponents to their left and right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yeah, I'm familiar with this argument, I just don't agree with the way you're using the word (and tbh I don't think it's worth arguing over- I just want a better word to use to avoid having to avoid this argument) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm trying to find a word that I can use in contexts like, e.g., "As an anarchist, I don't agree with ____s." I can't do that with socialists and communists because I do jive with libertarian socialists and anarcho-communists. I suppose the only safe option is to just be specific and say Marxists/Maoists/etc, but I was hoping there'd be a word to describe the "archist" component of these ideologies that I don't vibe with without having to get so specific. Can we just steal "archists" back? Lol (From Marsden, I mean) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago Fantastic, thanks! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yeah, I'm familiar with this argument, I just don't agree with the way you're using the word (and tbh I don't think it's worth arguing over- I just want a better word to use to avoid having to avoid this argument) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm trying to find a word that I can use in contexts like, e.g., "As an anarchist, I don't agree with ____s." I can't do that with socialists and communists because I do jive with libertarian socialists and anarcho-communists. I suppose the only safe option is to just be specific and say Marxists/Maoists/etc, but I was hoping there'd be a word to describe the "archist" component of these ideologies that I don't vibe with without having to get so specific. Can we just steal "archists" back? Lol (From Marsden, I mean) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago Fantastic, thanks! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm trying to find a word that I can use in contexts like, e.g., "As an anarchist, I don't agree with ____s." I can't do that with socialists and communists because I do jive with libertarian socialists and anarcho-communists. I suppose the only safe option is to just be specific and say Marxists/Maoists/etc, but I was hoping there'd be a word to describe the "archist" component of these ideologies that I don't vibe with without having to get so specific. Can we just steal "archists" back? Lol (From Marsden, I mean) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago Fantastic, thanks! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm trying to find a word that I can use in contexts like, e.g., "As an anarchist, I don't agree with ____s." I can't do that with socialists and communists because I do jive with libertarian socialists and anarcho-communists. I suppose the only safe option is to just be specific and say Marxists/Maoists/etc, but I was hoping there'd be a word to describe the "archist" component of these ideologies that I don't vibe with without having to get so specific. Can we just steal "archists" back? Lol (From Marsden, I mean) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago Fantastic, thanks! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago Fantastic, thanks! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago Fantastic, thanks! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Idk I feel like that's not the kind of distinction I'm looking for, because I like anarcho-communism Edit: Re: @m532@lemmygrad.ml If anarcho-communism isn’t communism, why is “communism” in its name? What? I didn't say it's not communism, I'm saying that calling y'all communists isn't necessarily a distinction from anarchists, bc there's an anarchist version of communism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Idk I feel like that's not the kind of distinction I'm looking for, because I like anarcho-communism Edit: Re: @m532@lemmygrad.ml If anarcho-communism isn’t communism, why is “communism” in its name? What? I didn't say it's not communism, I'm saying that calling y'all communists isn't necessarily a distinction from anarchists, bc there's an anarchist version of communism. permalink fedilink source parent