Yeah this is why I don’t get the selfhosting communities dislike of cloudflare.

There’s the chance they turn on us in the future, but for now they seem pretty reliable. Now if it’s a dislike of centralization to a single company? I can understand that.

I think that's exactly what people are concerned about. Any company that turns into a monopoly should be looked at with suspicion.

Well, I don't use most of their stuff because I mostly run self hosted stuff that either don't need their proxy stuff or violate their content policies (you can't serve movies/video over their proxy, which is reasonable). But if I wanted to I already have all of that at my disposal, without any extra money.

We dislike it because nobody needs it. Nobody here is getting DDoS'd to any extend that needs external protection.

I'm talking anecdotally but it seems to me that all the people who ride-or-die Cloudflare are also self-hosters who aren't very knowledgeable about self-hosting concepts and just heard that cloudflare protects against all these imaginary problems because they sure do sound scary!

The problem with cloudflare is when everyone relies on them, then if something happens to them, they take the whole internet offline... its much like when aws has issues, half the internet just stops working. It undermines the concept that the internet is a federation.