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[–] 194 points 1 year ago (45 children)

Death penalty for a murder of a single persons seems harsh. I’m anti death penalty 100% of the time, though.

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  • [–] 75 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Even people who are okay with the death penalty in a moral sense should be against it for logical reasons. Once you factor in the cost of the appeals system, the cost of the drugs themselves, the cost of paying out people or families when the drugs dont work as theyre supposed to, and the cost of keeping people in prison on death row, it is infinitely more expensive than just putting someone in prison for life.

    As a society, not to mention as taxpayers, we pay a huge premium to let the state exact barbaric revenge on people

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I used to be ok with it in certain circumstances, until I found out how many innocent people get convicted and how many people put to death were exonerated later. I'm against the entire prison system now though. It's modern slavery and the state shouldn't be trusted with that kind of power.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I can support the idea of a death penalty when someone kills multiple people and there's good evidence.

    However I can never support the implementation of the death penalty as I believe the state should never have the right tl execute its own citizens. And I believe it cannot be trusted with that authority

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I'm okay with the death penalty in cases like treason or insurrection.

    When it's clear that they committed the crimes.

    In broad daylight.

    For everyone to see.

    On live television.

    With absolutely no doubt that they are guilty.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Treason, are you sure? Careful what you wish for. I would imagine you are not a trump supporter right? The left will soon be treasonous in the US. They will soon be rounding up people for treason, how will you feel when you are picked up? Are you still calling for the death penalty now?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    ah I see you're still using "person" as a measurement unit instead of the more modern "net worth"

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Am I the only one to find the phrase "net worth" disgusting? It should be "net wealth" or something.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    No, there are at least 2 of us. Even the concept that it's somehow a useful measure to anyone else than your local tax authorities (except maybe for people running for public office) sounds a bit iffy to me.

    So you are right that giving it a name that ties it to your "worth" as a person is terrible.

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  • [+] -93 points 1 year ago (27 children)

    This particular murder is a challenge to the rule of law as a basic principle in a way that, for example, multiple murders by a serial killer are not. The serial killer does more direct harm, but IMO this murder requires more forceful repudiation by society.

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  • [–] 73 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    The tag I gave you months ago checks out.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    ...huh. I read that as giving the viewpoint of this administration, not as presenting a more fundamental (to them) truth.

    I suspect you've got the more accurate read; thanks for posting this!

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    This particular murder is a challenge more to the system of control than to the rule of law. It's not society but the oligarchy who believe it requires a more forceful repudiation. Otherwise power might start to shift out of their hands and back to the people.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    And what exactly makes this one worse than others?

    The victim being rich and powerful, unlike most murder victims?

    The victim belonging to a group of people very lucrative to the powers that be?

    The fact that your favorite authoritarian politicians and talking heads said so on tv?

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The aggravating factor is not the identity of the victim but rather the intent of the murderer. There have already been two more murders inspired at least partially by the murder of Brian Thompson (at least to the extent that the killers also wrote messages on the shell casings). If the rule of law is to be preserved, then it must be made clear that those who try to use violence as a tool for extralegal social change will not succeed, and that they will be punished severely.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    The problem with this line of thinking is that people like Brian Thompson are excused entirely. How much pain, suffering, and unnecessary death did Brian Thompson enable with his policies? And what recourse did his victims have?

    Fix that problem, and attacks like this don't happen in the first place.

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  • The aggravating factor is not the identity of the victim but rather the intent of the murderer

    I'd personally argue that the motive is a huge mitigating factor in this case. Especially when you consider the hell that the insurance industry leeches put him and his family through.

    IF it's even him, that is.

    If the rule of law is to be preserved, then it must be made clear that those who try to use violence as a tool for extralegal social change will not succeed, and that they will be punished severely.

    I'm of the opinion that law doesn't automatically equal justice and that justice is MUCH more important than law.

    Which is why I consider illegal but justifiable actions against legally entrenched injustice much less egregious than that which is unjust but perfectly legal.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Talk to your buddy trump about respecting the rule of law. Also, violence is inherent with government, what the fuck are you talking about?

    Do you think not respecting Hebeas Corpus is not violent? How about putting hard-working innocent people in chains and sending them to concentration camps?

    You have serious issues.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why I think we should give this man a trophy and a lifetime supply of chocolate. Anybody that kills the Nazi should be given the same treatment that our world war II soldiers were given. Fucking ticker tape parade for this motherfucker.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Maybe if the rule of law was doing it's fucking job and punishing these insurance bastards like they deserve randos wouldn't have to gun them down in the street. Society should be grateful SOMEONE did something about it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    If that is your take then you are a monster. A sociopathic monster.

    The CEO in question was directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of people through sheer greed.

    You are not a human being.

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