WATTERS: And then they sabotaged the teleprompter. I mean, this is an insurrection. And what we need to do is either leave the UN or we need to bomb it. It is in New York though right?

GUTFELD: Yeah, it is.

WATTERS: Could be some fallout there. Alright, maybe gas it?

DANA PERINO (CO-HOST): Let's not do that.

WATTERS: Don't gas it. Okay, but we need to destroy it. Maybe can we demolish the building? Have everybody leave and then we will demolish the building.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 326 points 1 year ago (39 children)

The UN is headquartered in New York. This guy therefore is directly calling for terrorist acts to be committed on US soil. That's slammer-worthy.

Who's doing the political violence again?

  • source
  • hideshow 39 child comments
  • [+] -44 points 1 year ago (36 children)

    The UN is not on US soil, it's been international territory for a very long while

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 36 child comments
  • [–] 98 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    "akshually."

    You do get it, right, buddy? It is located within the boundaries of the contiguous lower 48. Moreover, in its most populous city.

    Quit being obtuse.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 9 child comments
  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • load more comments (-1 replies)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah, but he's right in that it's not US soil, so if someone does bomb it, the American justice system can just ignore it and foreign powers don't have any power over American citizens located within the boundaries of the US anyway

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Nobody disputed that. It's just exhausting. You think the US would respond neutrally if another entity bombed the UN Building? There's a tiny park in Tampa that is technically Cuban soil. Do you think Cuba would file articles of war if the US bulldozed José Martí Park for apartments?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's distasteful how people who are incorrect can bully and convince others to the contrary to bury truth.

    The United Nations Plaza is firmly extraterritorial as stated in Article III, Section 7(a) of the Headquarters of the United Nations Agreement (1947). US law applies in this territory only to the extent it does not interfere with regulations of the UN which take precedent as defined in Article III, Section 8. So if the United States of America says the land is not American, why are you stating otherwise? Did you bother to look it up before mocking someone else?

    As for your ignorant "but it's within the borders of..." argument, Vatican City is located within contiguous Italy and even within its most populous city, yet it's not just extraterritorial but a sovereign country. Did you forget the Holy See existed or do you just deny the validity of the Lateran Treaty because it is surrounded by Rome?

    Finally, if all that weren't true, the US has bombed its own territory and citizens before: Jayayu in 1950. Of course, if you are ignorant of the Holy See, why would you know that.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    AFAIK, unlike Vatican City, UNHQ isn't drawn on any map of the world, and if you were to ask someone to name countries, UNHQ wouldn't be on anyone's list.

    Moreover, US laws still apply, which makes the territory not independent. It is a special area of the US, but is still firmly US.

    A similar situation is with, for example, US military bases. They're part of the county they're physically in, but the laws are effectively US. It's more of a "live and let live" situation - even in Cuba.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Bro, what the fuck are you babbling about? It’s in New York you weirdo

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 14 child comments
  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    It's like saying an embassy is not US soil. Sure, politically, that might be true, but for all non-political purposes, it very much is within the US.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 13 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It’s not even true. Embassies are not extraterritorial and remain the territory of the host country.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • I've never looked into it but thought embassies were "territory" lended to the embassies by the country they were placed in. If not it really shoots holes in the conservative talking point that people applying for political asylum should do so at an embassy, because you can only apply for asylum once on U.S. soil I thought

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Try arresting someone who has diplomatic immunity. Tell me how that goes for you. Now explain to me why that person was not arrested. After that replace the person with the embassy building and you will finally understand what people are talking about.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Yeah, I know, I just don’t have time for pedantic people trying to make bullshit comments when they know the absolute truth is that it’s on US fucking soil

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Don't acuse others of being pedantic when you're just wrong. If you don't understand the concepts, then don't comment until you educate yourself.

    The US signed a treaty granting the extraterritorial status. It's not US territory unless the UN abandons it.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [+] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    A well thought out rebuttal that no doubt stretched your intellectual gifts.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • load more comments (-1 replies)
  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    Downvoted for actually knowing the truth. Am I back on Reddit?

    “though the structure is physically situated in the United States, the land occupied by the United Nations headquarters and the spaces of buildings that it rents are under the sole administration of the United Nations. They are technically extraterritorial through a treaty agreement with the U.S. government.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headquarters_of_the_United_Nations

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 9 child comments
  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Yeah. I'm confused. I mean, it's legally international territory but functions as part of New York for obvious reasons. It's a little more nuanced, to say the least.

  • source
  • parent
  • [+] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It's not inconsequential if there's an attack though? It being on foreign soil means a high level judge appointed by Trump can literally just rule that no laws were broken on US soil.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Okay and what would happen if that were bombed or gassed? It doesn't matter if the land is politically separated. Bombs will physically destroy it and the surrounding area. Therefore it is not the truth in this context because we are speaking of the location of the land itself.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You left out the rest of that paragraph, though:

    However, in exchange for local police, fire protection, and other services, the United Nations agrees to acknowledge most local, state, and federal laws.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ok, but that only says they agree to follow local laws. It's still not American soil as per the agreement.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Can you get to the United Nations without entering the U.S., no. Do you need a passport to enter or leave the U.N., no.

    Do you need to remember you have a knife in your pocket, you probably should... I saw the metal detectors got worried at 19 or so and went back out front stashed my pocket knife in the trash can next to one of the umpteen NYPD officers that seem to be everywhere.

    Took the tour and when I left I grabbed my knife out between the can and the case while a cop looked at me in a manner that made me wonder how that conversation was going to go.

    "Sorry officer I just needed to stash this because I didn't know if they would hold it at security."

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    There's no dotted line around the UN on maps like Vatican City or Monaco. The UN is a diplomatic construct, and not its own country. It is fully on US soil, and nothing in the treaty says otherwise. (Yes, I checked, at least this copy I found as a pdf , which looks to be the original one. I don't know if there are any addendums though.

    That agreement was put in place specifically to guarantee worldwide access to the UN facility for diplomats, regardless of the opinion of the host country. It explicitly says that local laws apply there, as long as they don't conflict with UN regulations. It calls on the local government to maintain access to the facility, but does not allow local government officials on site without permission. It exempts diplomats and other visitors from the local visa requirements, but also states that the site will not used as a refuge for anyone avoiding legal process in the US.

    (The original agreement also has arrangements if the UN wants to build their own "aerodome"....)

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (-2 replies)