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[+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 5 points 1 year ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (7 children) Dehumanizing people is a trait of fascism. It makes it easy to commit all kinds of atrocities because they aren't really people. Why would you want that for yourself or others? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 year ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) Being soft and not dehumanizing are two different things. The fact you can't tell the difference doesn't change that. I'm willing to do hard things to dangerous people. I don't need to trick myself that they aren't people in order to do that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yes, but not nearly the biggest problem around, nor do I think his death is going to stem the tide. So, did the death of this dangerous person improve the world any more than killing a mosquito does? Or was it a tiny bump on the road to American fascism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Did WWII end before Hitler died? He seemed to think so given the gaping hole he put in his own head. I honestly think if Trump were to die tomorrow, very little would change. I think if he was assassinated you would see a response that would make the one to 9/11 look tame. If he'd been put in jail after Jan 6, maybe the direction of things would have changed, but I expect things will get a lot worse before they get better. As a non-American, my fervent hope is they eat themselves like a cancer and don't spread to the rest of the world. In the meantime, I'll watch my own backyard and do what little I can to stem the tide where I live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago Back to the false dichotomy. You can start over at the top again without me. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] millie@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) I agree that fascists are bad people, and I agree that fascists won't go away by ignoring them or presuming their good intent. But dehumanizing the people you decided are "bad" is literally the attitude that enables fascism. Not only does it set a low bar for what's required to dehumanize someone, but it weakens the kind of self-reflection that helps people avoid falling into fascism. Think about all those MAGA folk who say they only wanted to deport the "bad" immigrants. How's that working out? People we feel are "bad" should be treated like human beings. Because what's deemed bad depends on who's doing the finger-pointing, and dehumanizing others isn't a great way to bring the information that there's something bad happening to those who don't already agree with you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] millie@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child) The only way we beat fascism is with zero tolerance, and aggressive action. Anything else and you’re a lobster in a pot. Absolutely. But that's not the same thing as saying they're not human. They are human. That's what makes them dangerous. And if your standards are that everyone bad isn't human, you're literally propping up fascism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] millie@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago Well enjoy our society as it is I guess, because that let's find people to punish attitude is why we have a prison industrial complex. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (7 children) Dehumanizing people is a trait of fascism. It makes it easy to commit all kinds of atrocities because they aren't really people. Why would you want that for yourself or others? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 year ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) Being soft and not dehumanizing are two different things. The fact you can't tell the difference doesn't change that. I'm willing to do hard things to dangerous people. I don't need to trick myself that they aren't people in order to do that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yes, but not nearly the biggest problem around, nor do I think his death is going to stem the tide. So, did the death of this dangerous person improve the world any more than killing a mosquito does? Or was it a tiny bump on the road to American fascism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Did WWII end before Hitler died? He seemed to think so given the gaping hole he put in his own head. I honestly think if Trump were to die tomorrow, very little would change. I think if he was assassinated you would see a response that would make the one to 9/11 look tame. If he'd been put in jail after Jan 6, maybe the direction of things would have changed, but I expect things will get a lot worse before they get better. As a non-American, my fervent hope is they eat themselves like a cancer and don't spread to the rest of the world. In the meantime, I'll watch my own backyard and do what little I can to stem the tide where I live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago Back to the false dichotomy. You can start over at the top again without me. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] millie@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) I agree that fascists are bad people, and I agree that fascists won't go away by ignoring them or presuming their good intent. But dehumanizing the people you decided are "bad" is literally the attitude that enables fascism. Not only does it set a low bar for what's required to dehumanize someone, but it weakens the kind of self-reflection that helps people avoid falling into fascism. Think about all those MAGA folk who say they only wanted to deport the "bad" immigrants. How's that working out? People we feel are "bad" should be treated like human beings. Because what's deemed bad depends on who's doing the finger-pointing, and dehumanizing others isn't a great way to bring the information that there's something bad happening to those who don't already agree with you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] millie@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child) The only way we beat fascism is with zero tolerance, and aggressive action. Anything else and you’re a lobster in a pot. Absolutely. But that's not the same thing as saying they're not human. They are human. That's what makes them dangerous. And if your standards are that everyone bad isn't human, you're literally propping up fascism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] millie@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago Well enjoy our society as it is I guess, because that let's find people to punish attitude is why we have a prison industrial complex. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 year ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) Being soft and not dehumanizing are two different things. The fact you can't tell the difference doesn't change that. I'm willing to do hard things to dangerous people. I don't need to trick myself that they aren't people in order to do that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yes, but not nearly the biggest problem around, nor do I think his death is going to stem the tide. So, did the death of this dangerous person improve the world any more than killing a mosquito does? Or was it a tiny bump on the road to American fascism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Did WWII end before Hitler died? He seemed to think so given the gaping hole he put in his own head. I honestly think if Trump were to die tomorrow, very little would change. I think if he was assassinated you would see a response that would make the one to 9/11 look tame. If he'd been put in jail after Jan 6, maybe the direction of things would have changed, but I expect things will get a lot worse before they get better. As a non-American, my fervent hope is they eat themselves like a cancer and don't spread to the rest of the world. In the meantime, I'll watch my own backyard and do what little I can to stem the tide where I live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago Back to the false dichotomy. You can start over at the top again without me. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] millie@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) I agree that fascists are bad people, and I agree that fascists won't go away by ignoring them or presuming their good intent. But dehumanizing the people you decided are "bad" is literally the attitude that enables fascism. Not only does it set a low bar for what's required to dehumanize someone, but it weakens the kind of self-reflection that helps people avoid falling into fascism. Think about all those MAGA folk who say they only wanted to deport the "bad" immigrants. How's that working out? People we feel are "bad" should be treated like human beings. Because what's deemed bad depends on who's doing the finger-pointing, and dehumanizing others isn't a great way to bring the information that there's something bad happening to those who don't already agree with you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] millie@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child) The only way we beat fascism is with zero tolerance, and aggressive action. Anything else and you’re a lobster in a pot. Absolutely. But that's not the same thing as saying they're not human. They are human. That's what makes them dangerous. And if your standards are that everyone bad isn't human, you're literally propping up fascism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] millie@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago Well enjoy our society as it is I guess, because that let's find people to punish attitude is why we have a prison industrial complex. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) Being soft and not dehumanizing are two different things. The fact you can't tell the difference doesn't change that. I'm willing to do hard things to dangerous people. I don't need to trick myself that they aren't people in order to do that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yes, but not nearly the biggest problem around, nor do I think his death is going to stem the tide. So, did the death of this dangerous person improve the world any more than killing a mosquito does? Or was it a tiny bump on the road to American fascism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Did WWII end before Hitler died? He seemed to think so given the gaping hole he put in his own head. I honestly think if Trump were to die tomorrow, very little would change. I think if he was assassinated you would see a response that would make the one to 9/11 look tame. If he'd been put in jail after Jan 6, maybe the direction of things would have changed, but I expect things will get a lot worse before they get better. As a non-American, my fervent hope is they eat themselves like a cancer and don't spread to the rest of the world. In the meantime, I'll watch my own backyard and do what little I can to stem the tide where I live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago Back to the false dichotomy. You can start over at the top again without me. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yes, but not nearly the biggest problem around, nor do I think his death is going to stem the tide. So, did the death of this dangerous person improve the world any more than killing a mosquito does? Or was it a tiny bump on the road to American fascism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Did WWII end before Hitler died? He seemed to think so given the gaping hole he put in his own head. I honestly think if Trump were to die tomorrow, very little would change. I think if he was assassinated you would see a response that would make the one to 9/11 look tame. If he'd been put in jail after Jan 6, maybe the direction of things would have changed, but I expect things will get a lot worse before they get better. As a non-American, my fervent hope is they eat themselves like a cancer and don't spread to the rest of the world. In the meantime, I'll watch my own backyard and do what little I can to stem the tide where I live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago Back to the false dichotomy. You can start over at the top again without me. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yes, but not nearly the biggest problem around, nor do I think his death is going to stem the tide. So, did the death of this dangerous person improve the world any more than killing a mosquito does? Or was it a tiny bump on the road to American fascism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Did WWII end before Hitler died? He seemed to think so given the gaping hole he put in his own head. I honestly think if Trump were to die tomorrow, very little would change. I think if he was assassinated you would see a response that would make the one to 9/11 look tame. If he'd been put in jail after Jan 6, maybe the direction of things would have changed, but I expect things will get a lot worse before they get better. As a non-American, my fervent hope is they eat themselves like a cancer and don't spread to the rest of the world. In the meantime, I'll watch my own backyard and do what little I can to stem the tide where I live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago Back to the false dichotomy. You can start over at the top again without me. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Did WWII end before Hitler died? He seemed to think so given the gaping hole he put in his own head. I honestly think if Trump were to die tomorrow, very little would change. I think if he was assassinated you would see a response that would make the one to 9/11 look tame. If he'd been put in jail after Jan 6, maybe the direction of things would have changed, but I expect things will get a lot worse before they get better. As a non-American, my fervent hope is they eat themselves like a cancer and don't spread to the rest of the world. In the meantime, I'll watch my own backyard and do what little I can to stem the tide where I live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago Back to the false dichotomy. You can start over at the top again without me. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Did WWII end before Hitler died? He seemed to think so given the gaping hole he put in his own head. I honestly think if Trump were to die tomorrow, very little would change. I think if he was assassinated you would see a response that would make the one to 9/11 look tame. If he'd been put in jail after Jan 6, maybe the direction of things would have changed, but I expect things will get a lot worse before they get better. As a non-American, my fervent hope is they eat themselves like a cancer and don't spread to the rest of the world. In the meantime, I'll watch my own backyard and do what little I can to stem the tide where I live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago Back to the false dichotomy. You can start over at the top again without me. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago Back to the false dichotomy. You can start over at the top again without me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago Back to the false dichotomy. You can start over at the top again without me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] millie@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) I agree that fascists are bad people, and I agree that fascists won't go away by ignoring them or presuming their good intent. But dehumanizing the people you decided are "bad" is literally the attitude that enables fascism. Not only does it set a low bar for what's required to dehumanize someone, but it weakens the kind of self-reflection that helps people avoid falling into fascism. Think about all those MAGA folk who say they only wanted to deport the "bad" immigrants. How's that working out? People we feel are "bad" should be treated like human beings. Because what's deemed bad depends on who's doing the finger-pointing, and dehumanizing others isn't a great way to bring the information that there's something bad happening to those who don't already agree with you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] millie@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child) The only way we beat fascism is with zero tolerance, and aggressive action. Anything else and you’re a lobster in a pot. Absolutely. But that's not the same thing as saying they're not human. They are human. That's what makes them dangerous. And if your standards are that everyone bad isn't human, you're literally propping up fascism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] millie@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago Well enjoy our society as it is I guess, because that let's find people to punish attitude is why we have a prison industrial complex. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] millie@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child) The only way we beat fascism is with zero tolerance, and aggressive action. Anything else and you’re a lobster in a pot. Absolutely. But that's not the same thing as saying they're not human. They are human. That's what makes them dangerous. And if your standards are that everyone bad isn't human, you're literally propping up fascism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] millie@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago Well enjoy our society as it is I guess, because that let's find people to punish attitude is why we have a prison industrial complex. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] millie@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child) The only way we beat fascism is with zero tolerance, and aggressive action. Anything else and you’re a lobster in a pot. Absolutely. But that's not the same thing as saying they're not human. They are human. That's what makes them dangerous. And if your standards are that everyone bad isn't human, you're literally propping up fascism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] millie@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago Well enjoy our society as it is I guess, because that let's find people to punish attitude is why we have a prison industrial complex. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] millie@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago Well enjoy our society as it is I guess, because that let's find people to punish attitude is why we have a prison industrial complex. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] millie@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago Well enjoy our society as it is I guess, because that let's find people to punish attitude is why we have a prison industrial complex. permalink fedilink source parent