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[–] [S] 230 points 1 year ago* (17 children)
  • fact 1: yes, malcolm x said some things that are easily categorized as antisemitism. these statements were not the primary thrust of his platform but are not above criticism.
  • fact 2: charlie kirk said many things that are easily categorized as transphobia, homophobia, racism, islamophobia. these words were his entire platform and he literally died with the hateful words on his lips.
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  • [–] 116 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    and Charlie arguably did things you should also consider Antisemitism. he said abortions are worse than the Holocaust and greeted a German with "Deutschland über alles" which is illegal to say in Germany

    EDIT: apparently it's not illegal to say, just removed from the anthem. still, noone says it because that's nazi shit.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Charlie Kirk is a fascist. Period.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Deutschland über alles is literally the German national anthem though. I don't see how it can be illegal to say

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Die erste Strophe des Deutschlandliedes wurde während der Nazizeit zu Propagandazwecken instrumentalisiert, da sie insbesondere zwei Botschaften beinhaltet:

    • Treue dem Vaterland, übersteigerter Nationalismus, was später zu nationalem Märtyrertum verklärt wurde (siehe Langemarck-Mythos)
    • "Von der Maas bis an die Memel, von der Etsch bis an den Belt." Das umfasst ein geografisch größeres Gebiet als das der damaligen Weimarer Republik (siehe Bild für einen Vergleich mit den heutigen Grenzen). Insbesondere inkludiert das auch Österreich. Das lies sich hervorragend in die expansionistische Lebensraum-Ideologie der Nazis einbetten, welche diese als Rechtfertigung für ihre Eroberungskriege nutzten.

    Heute wird aus genau diesen Gründen die erste Strophe nicht mehr verwendet. Die einzigen, die die erste Strophe des Deutschlandliedes weiterhin singen, sind Neonazis wie die Mitglieder der Partei die Heimat (ehemals NPD).

    Hope that clears up the confusion.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    I can't believe you left out that Charlie Kirk is was famously anti-Semitic (like, repeats neo-Nazi conspiracy theories levels of anti-Semitic) :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk#American_Jews_and_antisemitism

    Kirk had been accused of antisemitism by multiple people and organizations;[187][188][189] The Anti-Defamation League accused Kirk of creating a "vast platform for extremists and far-right conspiracy theorists".[187] In October 2023, he said on The Charlie Kirk Show that "Jewish donors have been the Number 1 funding mechanism of radical, open border, neoliberal, quasi‑Marxist policies ... This is a beast created by secular Jews, and now it's coming for Jews". He also suggested that these Jews control "not just the colleges; it's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it". Soon after, he said that "Jews have been some of the largest funders of cultural Marxist ideas and supporters of those ideas over the last 30 or 40 years."[190] Kirk called on American Jews to stop "subsidizing your own demise by supporting institutions that breed Anti-Semites and endorse genocidal killers".[187]

    In November 2023, Kirk said that "Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them".[188] He went on to claim "the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors", but said he was glad that some donors were reconsidering.[191] In 2025, Kirk said that "No non-Jewish person my age has a longer or clearer record of support for Israel, sympathy with the Jewish people, or opposition to antisemitism than I do".[187] In July 2025, Kirk warned his followers against hatred of Jews, calling it "evil" and "demonic".[192] Some Jewish public figures have defended Kirk against accusations of antisemitism, citing his pro-Israel stance. Kirk was funded by some Jewish donors, including Bernie Marcus.[193]

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I can't believe you left out that Charlie Kirk is famously anti-Semitic

    To be fair, he isn't anymore.

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