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[+] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

U killed the guy who cared about double standards. Expect no more good faith or fairness in discussions with the right. I and many others on the right no longer care about being mortally consistent as long as the people we oppose lose. U called us hateful before u have yet failed to realise that was us being moderate.

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[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I ain’t kill nobody and it remains to be shown why he did it.

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[+] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

U as in ur side of the political divide, anyone intelligent engaging in good faith could determine that. The evidence of the assassins associations and motives don't look good for you. The smart choice for the whole of the left would be jump on the mossad did it bandwagon there is a lot of evidence supporting it notable Charlie Kirk financially distancing himself from Israel due to wanting the ability to speak more freely on Israels actions in Gaza.

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[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

I am going to reiterate as you seem to not understand.

It has not been shown who this kid affiliated with. It looks most likely that this is just a terminally online weirdo that didn’t really vote dems or reps although he comes from a right wing family.

I don’t care about what looks good for me as that seems messed up mate. I care about what is right and what is wrong. Murder like this is wrong whether “my guy” or “your guy” did it. This isn’t a team sport where I’ll defend my side until death. I will hold my own just as accountable as I would hold you. That’s what integrity is.

You just seem to be blinded by the fact that you’ve picked a side and must defend them until death which is fucking weird man. Like don’t you have morals that you live by? I’m a leftist and I’ll condemn anybody on the left that doesn’t align with my morals.

I can’t even comprehend having double standards like this. Like it literally does not compute for me.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Lived with their transgender partner doesn't sound very conservative to me.

Obviously murder over speech is wrong I'm glad we can agree on that many people on the left who I've been discussing this issue with are celebrating his death as though it where deserved and as though their is some justification for it.

I'm in the side of condemning the political extremism that promoted him to this violence and the political extremism that is allowing people to justify such actions. At the moment from all the evidence I've seen it is the far left that are promoting this sort of hanouse behaviour.

Politically I'm aligned with whoever I think will be most useful to achieve what I want. In this context Charlie is a very useful tool for promoting ideology I want ri sew in this world. Jesus only mattered because he died. Charlie is a martyr in just the same vein.

Politics is all about appearances and at the moment it spears as though a left wing extremist killed a moderate conservative for publicly engaging in free speech. The left has an unwinnable battle to defend themselves on this and will be utterly destroyed by the moderates who make up the majority. If the left adopts a position of blaming Israel it is beneficial to me as it fucks over the Israel lobby and Israeli aligned politicians as well as reduces the far left ideology and also reduces the risks of hard right extremists doing similar things in retribution possibly promoting civil war. Its beneficial to the left as it screws Israel for their actions in Gaza. And allows the hard left and hard right to establish a common enemy which will force all politicians to adopts said shared ideology lest they lose their most loyal voter base. Its a win win.

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[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not heard about him living with someone else. Care to share a source or 5 as that’s a bold claim and I’ve read countless articles.

Celebrating seems like a strong word. I’m indifferent to his death as many on the left are. Why would I be sad that a hateful person that wanted to dictate how regular people lived tbh wit lives was killed by some nutter who was online more than me. You say this like the prominent right wing people online were not calling for a damn civil war over this. Those being Elon Musk, Andrew Tate, and Libs of TikTok. I can share a screenshot of them advocating for war when they fought it was a leftie.

Again you’re missing the point that I’m saying I don’t know if he was a left or right person and we should wait. Honestly I think he was someone in the middle who was radicalised online, but even then he is more right wing than left if my understanding of the obscure meme references he wrote on the bullets.

As for ideology what place is it for you to push your beliefs on other people. I don’t care if you believe in Jesus Christ. I personally think it’s insane but I won’t judge you for it if you keep it to yourself and not try and push it on other people. The kid was a bloody Mormon but I ain’t how here trying to ban LDS. In fact my boss is LDS and although I can’t comprehend believing in this stuff he is the smartest and nicest person I’ve ever met. I don’t judge him for his belief and he doesn’t judge me for mine. He doesn’t what he can to make the people around him better and live his life as my boss and a minister of his church. He isn’t out here trying to ban people being gay because why the fuck would you want to.

If Jesus was real you think he would be a fan of the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. Cause if you do then you e not read the bible.

How would you like it if I tried to ban your religion because I don’t like it?

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[–] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Here's 5: https://news.sky.com/story/charlie-kirk-suspect-tyler-robinson-was-in-romantic-relationship-with-transgender-roommate-utah-governor-13431020 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/14/charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-roommate https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/tyler-robinson-accused-of-killing-charlie-kirk-lived-with-transgender-partner-who-is-now-helping-fbi-report-9274199 https://www.foxnews.com/politics/charlie-kirks-assassin-lived-transgender-partner-who-now-cooperating-fbi-sources https://www.timesofisrael.com/utah-governor-charlie-kirk-murder-suspect-clearly-a-leftist-lived-with-trans-partner/

I didn't just say celebrating I said justifying u can go look through any comment chain on any lemmy post about Charlie and see exactly that.

Their u go justifying his murder under a thin hander of I don't care, but I care enough to write multiple paragraphs.

Yeah people on the right are calling for civil war. The right holds a monopoly on violence and if they choose to their is nothing u can do to stop them. This is what happens when u kill the moderate "let's talk it out guy" the extremists go extreme and take most of the moderates who just had their role model assassinated with them.

The sources I provided paint a pretty clear picture of his political affiliations. Ur undertaking of a song famously used by antifa must be seriously floored to think its right wing.

"As for ideology what what place is it for the gays to be out in public pushing their beliefs on society" that's literally ur argument and fucking retarded. Everyone has the right to advocate for their beliefs that's freedom of expression, that's free speech, that's liberty.

I assume you've seen this video where Charlie argues directly against the nanny of gay people? Or does that not for ur narrative?

For the record I'm not religious I believe we don't have sufficient evidence to confirm or deny the existence of god. To stick to one side and claim it with absolute certainty is plain ignorance, you have just as much evidence against religion as Charlie has for it (except maybe he can quote a book of questionable reputation at you). Your both ignorant in this regard. But it is you who is mortally wrong to justify denying him the right express his beliefs as he pleases.

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[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago

Although The Guardian is a source I would trust, I can see that all those links are quoting the Utah Gov who has already been shown to be an unreliable source in this case. So we will see how that pans out.

Again. There is a difference between justifying the murder and being unbothered by it. For someone that wants to defend Charlie or at least not have people celebrate his death I find it odd as Charlie himself has said gun violence is the price of liberty.

Would you have shed a tear for Hitler? Would people have celebrated his death? Now Charlie isn’t Hitler but you get the idea. Bad man dead I don’t care. I’m not saying I think we should go kill more bad men but I’m not going to mourn a bully who wouldn’t mourn me if I was shot in a school shooting.