β² 921 βΌ A man attacked the husband of congresswoman Nancy Pelosi with a hammer, almost killing him. Charlie Kirk laughs about it. He says anyone who bailed out the attacker would be a great patriot (files.catbox.moe) submitted 1 year ago by TheDwZ@lemmy.world to c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world 75 comments fedilink hide all child comments Sources: π https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64428041 π https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/charlie-kirk-once-called-patriot-180221252.html π https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/charlie-kirk-bail-out-alleged-paul-pelosi-attacker-1234621493/
[β] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 89 points 1 year ago (21 children) His death was a blessing on us all. All praise the void. permalink fedilink source hideshow 21 child comments replies: [β] Mike_Hunt@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago (20 children) i wouldn't call it a blessing, it's being used to further all their shitty views and somehow make the left look violent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [β] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 79 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children) Nothing the left or centre does will ever be enough. Violence is upon you whether you recognize it or not. Their shitty views were being advanced regardless of the circumstances because the psychopaths aren't constrained by morals, ethics, logic, reason, facts or coherence. Everything is disingenuous, and used for weaponized purpose. Everything is disingenuous. Everything is disingenuous. Everything is disingenuous. There is no logic. No reason. No debate. Everything they do and say is to grab power for power's sake. Your mistake, is to imply that if Kirk weren't killed, the fascists would have less reason to hate, persecute and commit acts of violence on everyone else. They hate you not because of what you do, but that you broke their cardinal rule - you're not one of them, therefore a target. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world -14 points 1 year ago (7 children) But you're describing them as you claim they would describe you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [β] calliope@retrolemmy.com 24 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ah yes, Sun Tzu said βIf your opponent calls you the same thing you call him, thereβs no comeback, game over.β permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago Wait Iβm pretty sure Shih Tzu said that one permalink fedilink source parent [β] zqps@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, projection is a core skill on the right. That doesn't mean both sides are the same by any means. Facts and truthful arguments are a thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago You know, I'm starting to think it's not just projection but actually implementing the "law of power" along the line of "accused your enemy of what you're doing, as you're doing it." permalink fedilink source parent [β] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Invoking the paradox of tolerance isn't helpful. I'll take a Popper on this one. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago They'll keep using this 'your intolerance feels like their intolerance' argument, and this is the answer. It's like they're surprised about what intolerance for intolerance feels like. It feels like intolerance. Treating fascists like fascists by acting fascist doesn't make someone a fascist. It makes them reasonable. They mocked the tolerance of the left so much, now they can meet the intolerant left. You'll hear them whine more and more about 'horseshoe theory.' This is what they're crying about. Remember that they can choose to not be a fascist or fascist apologists, and be met with tolerance. But they victimize people based on things that are not choices. permalink fedilink source parent [β] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Okay, sure. They're the same. Find me an equivalent clip with consistent and unanswered vileness that's even close to comparable from a left wing darling. permalink fedilink source parent [β] imrighthere@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago (1 child) They were going to do that anyways, that was always the plan. You guys keep walking on eggshells and you're going to give them all the room they need to finish you off. Signs a month from now are not cutting it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) You're saying that as if this is a violent uprising, as if it's damage enough to stop any oppression. We used to have a man who might've asked to keep some progressives alive to debate them. In his place is fodder for those who would not. "They were going to do it anyways" is not reason to help their believability. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Deceptichum 41 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Mike_Hunt@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Strangely accurate. permalink fedilink source parent [β] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 child) That was already happening simply because trans and POC exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] hector@lemmy.today 5 points 1 year ago Their current slate of others is not the reason, they are the first victims. The people that have led us to this place do not actually give a shit about trans or people of color, they care about money. The ones that wrote the game plan and are running the plays. The religious and others are just allies. For now. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) They don't need real reasons to do their bullshit. Plus this guy was one of them anyway. How come the left is constantly defending themselves for being nonviolent when it's the right that is constantly doing the violence? See the trump assassination attempt, the mn shooting, and most recently the Nazis death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's a longer term play. If 40% of the populace is committed against MAGA, and 40% is irredeemably invested in MAGA, that leaves 20% so out of touch with current events they haven't formed any strong opinion. Yes, the MAGA administration is going to do the bullshit anyway. But feeding into the "both sides are the same" narrative might tip the balance of voters into re-voting in the bullshit doers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago You misunderstood me. This is all propaganda and the real violent members are on the right. I'm saying we need to literally fight fascism here, not tiptoe around this shit as it's already here. Who cares about their framing, it's always a lie anyway. permalink fedilink source parent [β] hector@lemmy.today 4 points 1 year ago* That is happening regardless. Notice martial law already being imposed on cities without even a good reason for it. Or if you recall 2020 them nurturing paramilitary groups that they protected from people who fought back against them. There is no world where these guys were not already going to do all this stuff. permalink fedilink source parent [β] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago They were gonna do all the shitty things anyway. Appeasement never works against fascism. Bullets work. We learned this in WWII. permalink fedilink source parent [β] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago They already paint the left that way. And frankly, if that's how they're going to frame the left being non-violent, I feel like they might as well be violent and help the world out. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[β] Mike_Hunt@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago (20 children) i wouldn't call it a blessing, it's being used to further all their shitty views and somehow make the left look violent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [β] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 79 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children) Nothing the left or centre does will ever be enough. Violence is upon you whether you recognize it or not. Their shitty views were being advanced regardless of the circumstances because the psychopaths aren't constrained by morals, ethics, logic, reason, facts or coherence. Everything is disingenuous, and used for weaponized purpose. Everything is disingenuous. Everything is disingenuous. Everything is disingenuous. There is no logic. No reason. No debate. Everything they do and say is to grab power for power's sake. Your mistake, is to imply that if Kirk weren't killed, the fascists would have less reason to hate, persecute and commit acts of violence on everyone else. They hate you not because of what you do, but that you broke their cardinal rule - you're not one of them, therefore a target. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world -14 points 1 year ago (7 children) But you're describing them as you claim they would describe you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [β] calliope@retrolemmy.com 24 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ah yes, Sun Tzu said βIf your opponent calls you the same thing you call him, thereβs no comeback, game over.β permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago Wait Iβm pretty sure Shih Tzu said that one permalink fedilink source parent [β] zqps@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, projection is a core skill on the right. That doesn't mean both sides are the same by any means. Facts and truthful arguments are a thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago You know, I'm starting to think it's not just projection but actually implementing the "law of power" along the line of "accused your enemy of what you're doing, as you're doing it." permalink fedilink source parent [β] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Invoking the paradox of tolerance isn't helpful. I'll take a Popper on this one. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago They'll keep using this 'your intolerance feels like their intolerance' argument, and this is the answer. It's like they're surprised about what intolerance for intolerance feels like. It feels like intolerance. Treating fascists like fascists by acting fascist doesn't make someone a fascist. It makes them reasonable. They mocked the tolerance of the left so much, now they can meet the intolerant left. You'll hear them whine more and more about 'horseshoe theory.' This is what they're crying about. Remember that they can choose to not be a fascist or fascist apologists, and be met with tolerance. But they victimize people based on things that are not choices. permalink fedilink source parent [β] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Okay, sure. They're the same. Find me an equivalent clip with consistent and unanswered vileness that's even close to comparable from a left wing darling. permalink fedilink source parent [β] imrighthere@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago (1 child) They were going to do that anyways, that was always the plan. You guys keep walking on eggshells and you're going to give them all the room they need to finish you off. Signs a month from now are not cutting it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) You're saying that as if this is a violent uprising, as if it's damage enough to stop any oppression. We used to have a man who might've asked to keep some progressives alive to debate them. In his place is fodder for those who would not. "They were going to do it anyways" is not reason to help their believability. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Deceptichum 41 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Mike_Hunt@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Strangely accurate. permalink fedilink source parent [β] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 child) That was already happening simply because trans and POC exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] hector@lemmy.today 5 points 1 year ago Their current slate of others is not the reason, they are the first victims. The people that have led us to this place do not actually give a shit about trans or people of color, they care about money. The ones that wrote the game plan and are running the plays. The religious and others are just allies. For now. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) They don't need real reasons to do their bullshit. Plus this guy was one of them anyway. How come the left is constantly defending themselves for being nonviolent when it's the right that is constantly doing the violence? See the trump assassination attempt, the mn shooting, and most recently the Nazis death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's a longer term play. If 40% of the populace is committed against MAGA, and 40% is irredeemably invested in MAGA, that leaves 20% so out of touch with current events they haven't formed any strong opinion. Yes, the MAGA administration is going to do the bullshit anyway. But feeding into the "both sides are the same" narrative might tip the balance of voters into re-voting in the bullshit doers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago You misunderstood me. This is all propaganda and the real violent members are on the right. I'm saying we need to literally fight fascism here, not tiptoe around this shit as it's already here. Who cares about their framing, it's always a lie anyway. permalink fedilink source parent [β] hector@lemmy.today 4 points 1 year ago* That is happening regardless. Notice martial law already being imposed on cities without even a good reason for it. Or if you recall 2020 them nurturing paramilitary groups that they protected from people who fought back against them. There is no world where these guys were not already going to do all this stuff. permalink fedilink source parent [β] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago They were gonna do all the shitty things anyway. Appeasement never works against fascism. Bullets work. We learned this in WWII. permalink fedilink source parent [β] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago They already paint the left that way. And frankly, if that's how they're going to frame the left being non-violent, I feel like they might as well be violent and help the world out. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[β] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 79 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children) Nothing the left or centre does will ever be enough. Violence is upon you whether you recognize it or not. Their shitty views were being advanced regardless of the circumstances because the psychopaths aren't constrained by morals, ethics, logic, reason, facts or coherence. Everything is disingenuous, and used for weaponized purpose. Everything is disingenuous. Everything is disingenuous. Everything is disingenuous. There is no logic. No reason. No debate. Everything they do and say is to grab power for power's sake. Your mistake, is to imply that if Kirk weren't killed, the fascists would have less reason to hate, persecute and commit acts of violence on everyone else. They hate you not because of what you do, but that you broke their cardinal rule - you're not one of them, therefore a target. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world -14 points 1 year ago (7 children) But you're describing them as you claim they would describe you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [β] calliope@retrolemmy.com 24 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ah yes, Sun Tzu said βIf your opponent calls you the same thing you call him, thereβs no comeback, game over.β permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago Wait Iβm pretty sure Shih Tzu said that one permalink fedilink source parent [β] zqps@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, projection is a core skill on the right. That doesn't mean both sides are the same by any means. Facts and truthful arguments are a thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago You know, I'm starting to think it's not just projection but actually implementing the "law of power" along the line of "accused your enemy of what you're doing, as you're doing it." permalink fedilink source parent [β] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Invoking the paradox of tolerance isn't helpful. I'll take a Popper on this one. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago They'll keep using this 'your intolerance feels like their intolerance' argument, and this is the answer. It's like they're surprised about what intolerance for intolerance feels like. It feels like intolerance. Treating fascists like fascists by acting fascist doesn't make someone a fascist. It makes them reasonable. They mocked the tolerance of the left so much, now they can meet the intolerant left. You'll hear them whine more and more about 'horseshoe theory.' This is what they're crying about. Remember that they can choose to not be a fascist or fascist apologists, and be met with tolerance. But they victimize people based on things that are not choices. permalink fedilink source parent [β] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Okay, sure. They're the same. Find me an equivalent clip with consistent and unanswered vileness that's even close to comparable from a left wing darling. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world -14 points 1 year ago (7 children) But you're describing them as you claim they would describe you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [β] calliope@retrolemmy.com 24 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ah yes, Sun Tzu said βIf your opponent calls you the same thing you call him, thereβs no comeback, game over.β permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago Wait Iβm pretty sure Shih Tzu said that one permalink fedilink source parent [β] zqps@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, projection is a core skill on the right. That doesn't mean both sides are the same by any means. Facts and truthful arguments are a thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago You know, I'm starting to think it's not just projection but actually implementing the "law of power" along the line of "accused your enemy of what you're doing, as you're doing it." permalink fedilink source parent [β] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Invoking the paradox of tolerance isn't helpful. I'll take a Popper on this one. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago They'll keep using this 'your intolerance feels like their intolerance' argument, and this is the answer. It's like they're surprised about what intolerance for intolerance feels like. It feels like intolerance. Treating fascists like fascists by acting fascist doesn't make someone a fascist. It makes them reasonable. They mocked the tolerance of the left so much, now they can meet the intolerant left. You'll hear them whine more and more about 'horseshoe theory.' This is what they're crying about. Remember that they can choose to not be a fascist or fascist apologists, and be met with tolerance. But they victimize people based on things that are not choices. permalink fedilink source parent [β] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Okay, sure. They're the same. Find me an equivalent clip with consistent and unanswered vileness that's even close to comparable from a left wing darling. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] calliope@retrolemmy.com 24 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ah yes, Sun Tzu said βIf your opponent calls you the same thing you call him, thereβs no comeback, game over.β permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago Wait Iβm pretty sure Shih Tzu said that one permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago Wait Iβm pretty sure Shih Tzu said that one permalink fedilink source parent
[β] zqps@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, projection is a core skill on the right. That doesn't mean both sides are the same by any means. Facts and truthful arguments are a thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago You know, I'm starting to think it's not just projection but actually implementing the "law of power" along the line of "accused your enemy of what you're doing, as you're doing it." permalink fedilink source parent
[β] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago You know, I'm starting to think it's not just projection but actually implementing the "law of power" along the line of "accused your enemy of what you're doing, as you're doing it." permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Invoking the paradox of tolerance isn't helpful. I'll take a Popper on this one. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago They'll keep using this 'your intolerance feels like their intolerance' argument, and this is the answer. It's like they're surprised about what intolerance for intolerance feels like. It feels like intolerance. Treating fascists like fascists by acting fascist doesn't make someone a fascist. It makes them reasonable. They mocked the tolerance of the left so much, now they can meet the intolerant left. You'll hear them whine more and more about 'horseshoe theory.' This is what they're crying about. Remember that they can choose to not be a fascist or fascist apologists, and be met with tolerance. But they victimize people based on things that are not choices. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago They'll keep using this 'your intolerance feels like their intolerance' argument, and this is the answer. It's like they're surprised about what intolerance for intolerance feels like. It feels like intolerance. Treating fascists like fascists by acting fascist doesn't make someone a fascist. It makes them reasonable. They mocked the tolerance of the left so much, now they can meet the intolerant left. You'll hear them whine more and more about 'horseshoe theory.' This is what they're crying about. Remember that they can choose to not be a fascist or fascist apologists, and be met with tolerance. But they victimize people based on things that are not choices. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Okay, sure. They're the same. Find me an equivalent clip with consistent and unanswered vileness that's even close to comparable from a left wing darling. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] imrighthere@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago (1 child) They were going to do that anyways, that was always the plan. You guys keep walking on eggshells and you're going to give them all the room they need to finish you off. Signs a month from now are not cutting it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) You're saying that as if this is a violent uprising, as if it's damage enough to stop any oppression. We used to have a man who might've asked to keep some progressives alive to debate them. In his place is fodder for those who would not. "They were going to do it anyways" is not reason to help their believability. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) You're saying that as if this is a violent uprising, as if it's damage enough to stop any oppression. We used to have a man who might've asked to keep some progressives alive to debate them. In his place is fodder for those who would not. "They were going to do it anyways" is not reason to help their believability. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Deceptichum 41 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Mike_Hunt@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Strangely accurate. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 child) That was already happening simply because trans and POC exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] hector@lemmy.today 5 points 1 year ago Their current slate of others is not the reason, they are the first victims. The people that have led us to this place do not actually give a shit about trans or people of color, they care about money. The ones that wrote the game plan and are running the plays. The religious and others are just allies. For now. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] hector@lemmy.today 5 points 1 year ago Their current slate of others is not the reason, they are the first victims. The people that have led us to this place do not actually give a shit about trans or people of color, they care about money. The ones that wrote the game plan and are running the plays. The religious and others are just allies. For now. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) They don't need real reasons to do their bullshit. Plus this guy was one of them anyway. How come the left is constantly defending themselves for being nonviolent when it's the right that is constantly doing the violence? See the trump assassination attempt, the mn shooting, and most recently the Nazis death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's a longer term play. If 40% of the populace is committed against MAGA, and 40% is irredeemably invested in MAGA, that leaves 20% so out of touch with current events they haven't formed any strong opinion. Yes, the MAGA administration is going to do the bullshit anyway. But feeding into the "both sides are the same" narrative might tip the balance of voters into re-voting in the bullshit doers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago You misunderstood me. This is all propaganda and the real violent members are on the right. I'm saying we need to literally fight fascism here, not tiptoe around this shit as it's already here. Who cares about their framing, it's always a lie anyway. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's a longer term play. If 40% of the populace is committed against MAGA, and 40% is irredeemably invested in MAGA, that leaves 20% so out of touch with current events they haven't formed any strong opinion. Yes, the MAGA administration is going to do the bullshit anyway. But feeding into the "both sides are the same" narrative might tip the balance of voters into re-voting in the bullshit doers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago You misunderstood me. This is all propaganda and the real violent members are on the right. I'm saying we need to literally fight fascism here, not tiptoe around this shit as it's already here. Who cares about their framing, it's always a lie anyway. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago You misunderstood me. This is all propaganda and the real violent members are on the right. I'm saying we need to literally fight fascism here, not tiptoe around this shit as it's already here. Who cares about their framing, it's always a lie anyway. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] hector@lemmy.today 4 points 1 year ago* That is happening regardless. Notice martial law already being imposed on cities without even a good reason for it. Or if you recall 2020 them nurturing paramilitary groups that they protected from people who fought back against them. There is no world where these guys were not already going to do all this stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago They were gonna do all the shitty things anyway. Appeasement never works against fascism. Bullets work. We learned this in WWII. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago They already paint the left that way. And frankly, if that's how they're going to frame the left being non-violent, I feel like they might as well be violent and help the world out. permalink fedilink source parent