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[–] -3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You used this document as evidence to support your argument. Of course the credibility and validity of the document is a subject for discussion.

Also It’s not good evidence, but a valueable piece of a larger puzzle, where one understands the dynamics of political economy and has to piece it together through these. If you’d read any theory at all, you know history is always written by the dominant class and one has to read through the lines with documents like this.

We have no idea who actually wrote this document. Just further pointing out how useless it really is. And believe me I'd be really interested to know the backstory of the document from a historical pov.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I used the document to highlight that even in the CIA there were people thinking Stalin is a captain of a team. I did however also point to Domenico Losurdos to underscore how its fits to existing historical accounts from a Marxist perspective

    I’d be really interested to know the backstory of the document from a historical pov.

    I agree, It's interesting to think about how a classified top secret document like this exists that basically could've been written by a leftie. To have this many points synthesized it required a bunch of fieldwork to come together like this, even if unevaluated. Another interesting aspect to think about is how it relates to current dominant western narratives in regards to current geopolitical rivals

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    But it doesn't show that CIA thought that, as I've tried to explain. You're taking a random document we know barely anything about as some official or truly held position CIA had on the matter and that's just not what it shows.

    I agree, It’s interesting to think about how a classified top secret document like this exists that basically could’ve been written by a leftie. To have this many points synthesized it required a bunch of fieldwork to come together like this, even if unevaluated. Another interesting aspect to think about is how it relates to current dominant western narratives in regards to current geopolitical rivals

    I mean we don't know who wrote it, what they did to arrive to their conclusions, what was their goal, position, experience, anything really. For all we know they based it on random chatter someone heard from a friend of a friend's dog walker. That's what makes it worthless as any sort of evidence. We have a random quote or opinion, basically. To have any sort of weight, you'd need something at least, but now we have nothing.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You're making the mistake that the CIA is one homogeneous blop where everyone thinks the same. Where once something gets evaluated and approved it's their party line. The document fits into the historical account of Stalin seamlessly. Even if it's chatted someone heard from s friend of a friend (and I don't think the CIA works this sloppily), it contains enough valuable information for the CIA to compile this document and to keep it.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    CIA collects all sort of hearsay. Then they evaluate it to create coherent and credible information (as far as they know). This is unevalued without any sort of metainfo we might use ourselves to consider the credibility. All it seems to have is to agree with already held sentiment from you. That's all.

    If you are being honest to youtself, if this didn't agree with whatever you already believed, you wouldn't give it the time of day for the exact reasons I've mentioned. Nor should you since there's exactly nothing in this document itself that would support it.

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