▲ 224 ▼ Red meat wreaks havoc on gut and drives inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) in study on mice (newatlas.com) submitted 1 year ago by usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml to c/science@lemmy.world 112 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 46 points 1 year ago* (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T156@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* At the same time, a lot of places aren't going to let scientists test on something closer to humans without something clearly showing a reason for it. The ethics board would wonder why they didn't try it on mice first, and wouldn't approve anything else. That they found an effect in mice would be good justification to move up a step. If there was no effect, then that would be the end of that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (8 children) I assume you went through the actual published article and have the necessary expertise to come to this "bullshit" conclusion. I don't really know enough about mouse (and human) gut biome to know what the similarities and caveats are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Taleya@aussie.zone 17 points 1 year ago Garlic, onions, citrus and beans fuck up and can even possibly kill mice, so it's not a straight comparison by any stretch permalink fedilink source parent [+] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 1 year ago (5 children) Not what the research is about though, but good doing your own research permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trougnouf@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Those animals are pretty defenseless after they die and no one is immune to that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) You clearly don't get it. This is not about what they eat. If you mix two chemicals, they react the same way. It doesn't matter if this happens inside a mouse or a human. Their reaction to it might be different, which is what the article ponts out. But the gut biome still compares to what's inside a human, so if you introduce something like red meat, the measured reaction inside will be similar, even if it's not in their diet, like you shallowly point out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] T156@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* At the same time, a lot of places aren't going to let scientists test on something closer to humans without something clearly showing a reason for it. The ethics board would wonder why they didn't try it on mice first, and wouldn't approve anything else. That they found an effect in mice would be good justification to move up a step. If there was no effect, then that would be the end of that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (8 children) I assume you went through the actual published article and have the necessary expertise to come to this "bullshit" conclusion. I don't really know enough about mouse (and human) gut biome to know what the similarities and caveats are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Taleya@aussie.zone 17 points 1 year ago Garlic, onions, citrus and beans fuck up and can even possibly kill mice, so it's not a straight comparison by any stretch permalink fedilink source parent [+] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 1 year ago (5 children) Not what the research is about though, but good doing your own research permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trougnouf@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Those animals are pretty defenseless after they die and no one is immune to that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) You clearly don't get it. This is not about what they eat. If you mix two chemicals, they react the same way. It doesn't matter if this happens inside a mouse or a human. Their reaction to it might be different, which is what the article ponts out. But the gut biome still compares to what's inside a human, so if you introduce something like red meat, the measured reaction inside will be similar, even if it's not in their diet, like you shallowly point out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 17 points 1 year ago Garlic, onions, citrus and beans fuck up and can even possibly kill mice, so it's not a straight comparison by any stretch permalink fedilink source parent
[+] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 1 year ago (5 children) Not what the research is about though, but good doing your own research permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trougnouf@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Those animals are pretty defenseless after they die and no one is immune to that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) You clearly don't get it. This is not about what they eat. If you mix two chemicals, they react the same way. It doesn't matter if this happens inside a mouse or a human. Their reaction to it might be different, which is what the article ponts out. But the gut biome still compares to what's inside a human, so if you introduce something like red meat, the measured reaction inside will be similar, even if it's not in their diet, like you shallowly point out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 1 year ago (5 children) Not what the research is about though, but good doing your own research permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trougnouf@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Those animals are pretty defenseless after they die and no one is immune to that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) You clearly don't get it. This is not about what they eat. If you mix two chemicals, they react the same way. It doesn't matter if this happens inside a mouse or a human. Their reaction to it might be different, which is what the article ponts out. But the gut biome still compares to what's inside a human, so if you introduce something like red meat, the measured reaction inside will be similar, even if it's not in their diet, like you shallowly point out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trougnouf@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Those animals are pretty defenseless after they die and no one is immune to that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) You clearly don't get it. This is not about what they eat. If you mix two chemicals, they react the same way. It doesn't matter if this happens inside a mouse or a human. Their reaction to it might be different, which is what the article ponts out. But the gut biome still compares to what's inside a human, so if you introduce something like red meat, the measured reaction inside will be similar, even if it's not in their diet, like you shallowly point out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] trougnouf@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Those animals are pretty defenseless after they die and no one is immune to that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) You clearly don't get it. This is not about what they eat. If you mix two chemicals, they react the same way. It doesn't matter if this happens inside a mouse or a human. Their reaction to it might be different, which is what the article ponts out. But the gut biome still compares to what's inside a human, so if you introduce something like red meat, the measured reaction inside will be similar, even if it's not in their diet, like you shallowly point out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)