▲ 812 ▼ Jimmy Wales Says Wikipedia Could Use AI. Editors Call It the 'Antithesis of Wikipedia' (www.404media.co) submitted 1 year ago by tonytins@pawb.social to c/technology@lemmy.world 106 comments fedilink hide all child comments Paywall bypass: https://archive.is/oWcIr
[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 88 points 1 year ago (18 children) jimmy wales is also the president and co-founder of fandom to give you an idea of who that guy is permalink fedilink source hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] hr_@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, the Wikipedia page does say it was sold in 2018. Not sure how it was before but it's not surprising that it enshittified by now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OboTheHobo@ttrpg.network 7 points 1 year ago I guess in his defense it wasn't too bad before 2018, as far as I can remember. Most of the enshittification of fandom I can remember has happened since. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Devmapall@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 year ago (8 children) Oh gross permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (7 children) Why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 1 year ago (4 children) Fandom (previously Wikia) is an extremely shitty service with low-quality wikis mostly consisting of content copied from independent wikis and a terrible layout that only exists to amplify their overwhelming advertising. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (2 children) my one weird trick for using fandom.com is to disable javascript for that domain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) What if they put anubis on it ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Anubis only does a proof of work challenge if you lack a specific cookie that it gives you. You can temporarily enable JavaScript, pass the challenge, get the cookie, then disable JavaScript. I use uBlock Origin, btw, to make selectively enabling/disabling JavaScript per domain a simple two-click task. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tortellinius@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago While this is true, the majority of the wikis are not at all low quality. Some are the only ones existing for a topic. The wikis are community-based, after all. But its easy to vandalize and is highly profit-driven. The fandom wikis are filled with ads that absolutely destroy navigation. Infamous is the video ad that scrolls you up automatically in the middle of reading once it finishes. You have to pause it to read the article with no interruption. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lime@feddit.nu 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) they captured the "niche wiki" market as wikia, then rebranded and started serving shittons of ads. the vim wiki is unusable these days because it runs like ass and looks like a gamer rgb nightmare permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) There's an addon for that, Indie Wiki Buddy. It tries to redirect you to non fandom/fextralife wikis if they exist, and if not, it proxies fandom wikis through BreezeWiki which just displays the content. And I'll take this opportunity to plug Hohser and the uBlock AI blocklist as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago Obligatory plug for BreezeWiki. Makes that shit actually usable. permalink fedilink source parent [+] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml -23 points 1 year ago (5 children) Oh yeah that website's pretty great It has really in depth wiki about games like https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Caesar%27s_Legion So I guess you mean that Wales guy is pretty great then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (3 children) Oh, you mean the https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Caesar%27s_Legion ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yup, Fallout Wiki has a pretty crazy history. I don't remember if they were originally a Fandom wiki, but at some point they definitely went "well, we don't want to go with Fandom, we'll go with Curse wiki host instead." Then Fandom bought Curse wikis and put all of them under Fandom banner anyway. The independent Fallout Wiki is basically where the actual community is right now, the Fandom wiki is just there to confuse passers-by with their high search engine rank. Fandom has the policy that the community can fork a wiki and go elsewhere, but they will not close down the Fandom wiki, so good luck with your search rankings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Many game communities have opted for the "unbridled vandalism" strategy to push people away from fandom. Just replace all the articles with plausible lies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago* The "fandom" one is much more complete ? I mean, they're both pretty great, From the search engine if I wanted to know about in-game faction, I'd just pick which ever appeared first. and it'd be fine either way So why would "Chloé 🥕@lemmy.blahaj.zone" think they can just point at it and imagine any random people would even know what she "who that guy is" means just because he's associated with that wiki ? And that my innocuous comment would triggers the nerds with such an unanimously negative response ? permalink fedilink source parent [–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago The user content on fandom is generally pretty good, at least for the wikis I frequent. It's everything else about the site which is awful -- the pop-ups, the completely irrelevant auto-playing videos, how it's constantly trying to shove other fandom wikis into your attention. I'm sure the site is improved with userscripts and such, and I am already using adblock, but it's pretty unforgivable IMO. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hr_@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, the Wikipedia page does say it was sold in 2018. Not sure how it was before but it's not surprising that it enshittified by now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OboTheHobo@ttrpg.network 7 points 1 year ago I guess in his defense it wasn't too bad before 2018, as far as I can remember. Most of the enshittification of fandom I can remember has happened since. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OboTheHobo@ttrpg.network 7 points 1 year ago I guess in his defense it wasn't too bad before 2018, as far as I can remember. Most of the enshittification of fandom I can remember has happened since. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Devmapall@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 year ago (8 children) Oh gross permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (7 children) Why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 1 year ago (4 children) Fandom (previously Wikia) is an extremely shitty service with low-quality wikis mostly consisting of content copied from independent wikis and a terrible layout that only exists to amplify their overwhelming advertising. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (2 children) my one weird trick for using fandom.com is to disable javascript for that domain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) What if they put anubis on it ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Anubis only does a proof of work challenge if you lack a specific cookie that it gives you. You can temporarily enable JavaScript, pass the challenge, get the cookie, then disable JavaScript. I use uBlock Origin, btw, to make selectively enabling/disabling JavaScript per domain a simple two-click task. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tortellinius@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago While this is true, the majority of the wikis are not at all low quality. Some are the only ones existing for a topic. The wikis are community-based, after all. But its easy to vandalize and is highly profit-driven. The fandom wikis are filled with ads that absolutely destroy navigation. Infamous is the video ad that scrolls you up automatically in the middle of reading once it finishes. You have to pause it to read the article with no interruption. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lime@feddit.nu 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) they captured the "niche wiki" market as wikia, then rebranded and started serving shittons of ads. the vim wiki is unusable these days because it runs like ass and looks like a gamer rgb nightmare permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) There's an addon for that, Indie Wiki Buddy. It tries to redirect you to non fandom/fextralife wikis if they exist, and if not, it proxies fandom wikis through BreezeWiki which just displays the content. And I'll take this opportunity to plug Hohser and the uBlock AI blocklist as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (7 children) Why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 1 year ago (4 children) Fandom (previously Wikia) is an extremely shitty service with low-quality wikis mostly consisting of content copied from independent wikis and a terrible layout that only exists to amplify their overwhelming advertising. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (2 children) my one weird trick for using fandom.com is to disable javascript for that domain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) What if they put anubis on it ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Anubis only does a proof of work challenge if you lack a specific cookie that it gives you. You can temporarily enable JavaScript, pass the challenge, get the cookie, then disable JavaScript. I use uBlock Origin, btw, to make selectively enabling/disabling JavaScript per domain a simple two-click task. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tortellinius@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago While this is true, the majority of the wikis are not at all low quality. Some are the only ones existing for a topic. The wikis are community-based, after all. But its easy to vandalize and is highly profit-driven. The fandom wikis are filled with ads that absolutely destroy navigation. Infamous is the video ad that scrolls you up automatically in the middle of reading once it finishes. You have to pause it to read the article with no interruption. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lime@feddit.nu 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) they captured the "niche wiki" market as wikia, then rebranded and started serving shittons of ads. the vim wiki is unusable these days because it runs like ass and looks like a gamer rgb nightmare permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) There's an addon for that, Indie Wiki Buddy. It tries to redirect you to non fandom/fextralife wikis if they exist, and if not, it proxies fandom wikis through BreezeWiki which just displays the content. And I'll take this opportunity to plug Hohser and the uBlock AI blocklist as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 1 year ago (4 children) Fandom (previously Wikia) is an extremely shitty service with low-quality wikis mostly consisting of content copied from independent wikis and a terrible layout that only exists to amplify their overwhelming advertising. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (2 children) my one weird trick for using fandom.com is to disable javascript for that domain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) What if they put anubis on it ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Anubis only does a proof of work challenge if you lack a specific cookie that it gives you. You can temporarily enable JavaScript, pass the challenge, get the cookie, then disable JavaScript. I use uBlock Origin, btw, to make selectively enabling/disabling JavaScript per domain a simple two-click task. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tortellinius@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago While this is true, the majority of the wikis are not at all low quality. Some are the only ones existing for a topic. The wikis are community-based, after all. But its easy to vandalize and is highly profit-driven. The fandom wikis are filled with ads that absolutely destroy navigation. Infamous is the video ad that scrolls you up automatically in the middle of reading once it finishes. You have to pause it to read the article with no interruption. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (2 children) my one weird trick for using fandom.com is to disable javascript for that domain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) What if they put anubis on it ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Anubis only does a proof of work challenge if you lack a specific cookie that it gives you. You can temporarily enable JavaScript, pass the challenge, get the cookie, then disable JavaScript. I use uBlock Origin, btw, to make selectively enabling/disabling JavaScript per domain a simple two-click task. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) What if they put anubis on it ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Anubis only does a proof of work challenge if you lack a specific cookie that it gives you. You can temporarily enable JavaScript, pass the challenge, get the cookie, then disable JavaScript. I use uBlock Origin, btw, to make selectively enabling/disabling JavaScript per domain a simple two-click task. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Anubis only does a proof of work challenge if you lack a specific cookie that it gives you. You can temporarily enable JavaScript, pass the challenge, get the cookie, then disable JavaScript. I use uBlock Origin, btw, to make selectively enabling/disabling JavaScript per domain a simple two-click task. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tortellinius@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago While this is true, the majority of the wikis are not at all low quality. Some are the only ones existing for a topic. The wikis are community-based, after all. But its easy to vandalize and is highly profit-driven. The fandom wikis are filled with ads that absolutely destroy navigation. Infamous is the video ad that scrolls you up automatically in the middle of reading once it finishes. You have to pause it to read the article with no interruption. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) they captured the "niche wiki" market as wikia, then rebranded and started serving shittons of ads. the vim wiki is unusable these days because it runs like ass and looks like a gamer rgb nightmare permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) There's an addon for that, Indie Wiki Buddy. It tries to redirect you to non fandom/fextralife wikis if they exist, and if not, it proxies fandom wikis through BreezeWiki which just displays the content. And I'll take this opportunity to plug Hohser and the uBlock AI blocklist as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) There's an addon for that, Indie Wiki Buddy. It tries to redirect you to non fandom/fextralife wikis if they exist, and if not, it proxies fandom wikis through BreezeWiki which just displays the content. And I'll take this opportunity to plug Hohser and the uBlock AI blocklist as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago Obligatory plug for BreezeWiki. Makes that shit actually usable. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml -23 points 1 year ago (5 children) Oh yeah that website's pretty great It has really in depth wiki about games like https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Caesar%27s_Legion So I guess you mean that Wales guy is pretty great then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (3 children) Oh, you mean the https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Caesar%27s_Legion ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yup, Fallout Wiki has a pretty crazy history. I don't remember if they were originally a Fandom wiki, but at some point they definitely went "well, we don't want to go with Fandom, we'll go with Curse wiki host instead." Then Fandom bought Curse wikis and put all of them under Fandom banner anyway. The independent Fallout Wiki is basically where the actual community is right now, the Fandom wiki is just there to confuse passers-by with their high search engine rank. Fandom has the policy that the community can fork a wiki and go elsewhere, but they will not close down the Fandom wiki, so good luck with your search rankings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Many game communities have opted for the "unbridled vandalism" strategy to push people away from fandom. Just replace all the articles with plausible lies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago* The "fandom" one is much more complete ? I mean, they're both pretty great, From the search engine if I wanted to know about in-game faction, I'd just pick which ever appeared first. and it'd be fine either way So why would "Chloé 🥕@lemmy.blahaj.zone" think they can just point at it and imagine any random people would even know what she "who that guy is" means just because he's associated with that wiki ? And that my innocuous comment would triggers the nerds with such an unanimously negative response ? permalink fedilink source parent [–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago The user content on fandom is generally pretty good, at least for the wikis I frequent. It's everything else about the site which is awful -- the pop-ups, the completely irrelevant auto-playing videos, how it's constantly trying to shove other fandom wikis into your attention. I'm sure the site is improved with userscripts and such, and I am already using adblock, but it's pretty unforgivable IMO. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (3 children) Oh, you mean the https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Caesar%27s_Legion ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yup, Fallout Wiki has a pretty crazy history. I don't remember if they were originally a Fandom wiki, but at some point they definitely went "well, we don't want to go with Fandom, we'll go with Curse wiki host instead." Then Fandom bought Curse wikis and put all of them under Fandom banner anyway. The independent Fallout Wiki is basically where the actual community is right now, the Fandom wiki is just there to confuse passers-by with their high search engine rank. Fandom has the policy that the community can fork a wiki and go elsewhere, but they will not close down the Fandom wiki, so good luck with your search rankings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Many game communities have opted for the "unbridled vandalism" strategy to push people away from fandom. Just replace all the articles with plausible lies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago* The "fandom" one is much more complete ? I mean, they're both pretty great, From the search engine if I wanted to know about in-game faction, I'd just pick which ever appeared first. and it'd be fine either way So why would "Chloé 🥕@lemmy.blahaj.zone" think they can just point at it and imagine any random people would even know what she "who that guy is" means just because he's associated with that wiki ? And that my innocuous comment would triggers the nerds with such an unanimously negative response ? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yup, Fallout Wiki has a pretty crazy history. I don't remember if they were originally a Fandom wiki, but at some point they definitely went "well, we don't want to go with Fandom, we'll go with Curse wiki host instead." Then Fandom bought Curse wikis and put all of them under Fandom banner anyway. The independent Fallout Wiki is basically where the actual community is right now, the Fandom wiki is just there to confuse passers-by with their high search engine rank. Fandom has the policy that the community can fork a wiki and go elsewhere, but they will not close down the Fandom wiki, so good luck with your search rankings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Many game communities have opted for the "unbridled vandalism" strategy to push people away from fandom. Just replace all the articles with plausible lies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Many game communities have opted for the "unbridled vandalism" strategy to push people away from fandom. Just replace all the articles with plausible lies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago* The "fandom" one is much more complete ? I mean, they're both pretty great, From the search engine if I wanted to know about in-game faction, I'd just pick which ever appeared first. and it'd be fine either way So why would "Chloé 🥕@lemmy.blahaj.zone" think they can just point at it and imagine any random people would even know what she "who that guy is" means just because he's associated with that wiki ? And that my innocuous comment would triggers the nerds with such an unanimously negative response ? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago The user content on fandom is generally pretty good, at least for the wikis I frequent. It's everything else about the site which is awful -- the pop-ups, the completely irrelevant auto-playing videos, how it's constantly trying to shove other fandom wikis into your attention. I'm sure the site is improved with userscripts and such, and I am already using adblock, but it's pretty unforgivable IMO. permalink fedilink source parent