Long time ago. I think I presented an MVP there for technical feedback and none of the feedback was technical. All the feedback was "this useless, no one will ever buy it". Getting bought was never the goal, but that didn't bother them.

And after lurking, it just felt like a community of knowitalls who wanted to shit on anything that didn't fit the bubble. I just changed he password to some random crap and deleted my password from the password manager. Haven't used it since. Never felt the urge.

Well then join my workshop where I show you how to be sad AND terrified simultaneously while using AI to augment your limited human emotional capability.

The workshop is free because your personal data is the product!

Wait why are you crying now? This is good news!!

I found a good write up about the AI bubble that's still relevant today. Beyond that yeah it's not great

HN is "professional" 4Chan. If you ever spent any time on both sites it's obvious that there's a ton of overlap in the userbase. The only difference is moderation.

So going there for anything but focused technology discussions is a bad time. Now that that era is dead, there's no reason to visit unless you want a safe space where you can be a discrete racist/bigot and/or a flamboyant billionaire bootlicker.

I'm thankful to HN because I got my last job because of it, but most of the discussions and comments there seem to be from bots or two-legged duning-kruger effects so hoping to have a sane discussion with actual smart people is kinda rare unless you find to manage a topic that is not about ai stuff, politics or CS.

You can find there all the cringe stuff from ai proselitism ("thanks ai because I can do my website for free in no time without having to pay thousands to a web designer or developer!") all the way up to antivaccines weirdos ("lockdowns were a joke and the vaccines were proven to not work") and even xenophobia and chauvinism ("go back to your weak country"). Yes, all of this quoted sentences are from the top of my head from HN from the last few weeks.

I wish I could see it as just sad. Instead, it's like somebody is constantly trying to murder me slowly, and the fact that they haven't actually managed it yet doesn't make the experience any less terrifying.

I mean HN has been a dumpsterfire for at least 5 years, with 90% trash and 10% useful content. But I agree, there are now lots of AI proponents (who are all apparently building a killer app that will launch "soon" to make them millions; but they can't go into detail because the idea is genius. Don't worry, it won't be possible to copy the app via AI when it launches, because they spent 50k$ in tokens on it).

Before AI broke the brain of everyone at HN I used to find the culty techbro culture hilarious to read the comments of for how out of touch they were, but with AI now the thinking of that kind of person has degraded so much further it isn't as fun anymore because there isn't even anything interesting to grasp onto.

It feels like browsing a bigfoot sightings forum where a belief in bigfoot somehow leads to everyone thinking humans are worthless but yet bigfoot clearly does not really exist or at least nobody has any proof of it. Where is the fun in that? It is just sad.

Oracle won't worry, it's a lawyer firm with a side hustle of computer software (I totally stole this from Ed Zitron)

You do realize that Photopea is JS running in your browser right, aka it’s slow.

Yes I realise it's running in a browser.

No it's not slow.

It's running 5mb of web assembly, so unless running regular photoshop is using more than 50% of your CPU, you're not going to notice any slowdowns.

The only time you're going to notice a slow down is if the thing you're doing would already be annoying slow in photoshop (e.g. opening >500mb non-raw files, in which case it being slow in a browser wouldn't matter since you'd be better off processing the files outside of photoshop anyway).

You do realize that Photopea is JS running in your browser right, aka it's slow.

Though I have to admit I'm way more interested in LR clones that are actually good clones.

We're still in the very early days an it's already starting. Give it 5 years and we'll see.

Yes

So the same experience as actual adobe software 🤣 /s

I use it every few days and tried to do what I just described before posting about it, and was unable to do so. I don't consider that "not having touched it recently."

And even if it does do that now on some newer version my distro doesn't have, my thoughts are still the same as others in this thread like the bad UX and many other features photoshop has that gimp doesn't.

They recently started to try improving on that front, so maybe one day?

No they don't they're buggy as shit

The assumption of "just generate it" is doing a lot of work. There's a lot of assumptions that an LLM produced program will have the same guarantees that a closed source program has. You don't know about licensing because most courts haven't decided on it yet. The enshittification would most likely happen on the LLM provider end. You also wouldn't get the benefit of other people's eyes on the software. You're getting none of the benefits of open source with the consequences of closed source.

the last photoshop i used and enjoyed was cs6, and photogimp does everything that did. i’m a big fan.

e:a word

There's thousands I can run locally and thousands more I can run from hundreds of places that aren't the hyperscalers.

Instead of it does it in .

Gimp will always be awful because it has never been developed with UX as the priority.

that sentence didn't say what you think it says at all

Why should I use software from anybody if I can just have an LLM generate what I want? I don't have to worry about licensing, software becoming paid, getting enshittified or getting abandoned. I can have my own walled garden of my own apps.

Reposting my relevant comment from yesterday on the Opensource board:

My opinion: this is pointless

LLMs are stochastic regurgitators, but software can already be copy/pasted without cost.

Why should we be interested in an LLM clone of photoshop when there are already clones of photoshop (e.g. https://photopea.com/)?

If I want to use photoshop (or something like it), then I’ll use photoshop (or something like it: i.e. photopea).

There’s literally no point in favour of using the LLM copy, it’s going to have less support and less security (since its training data will have also included prompt injection attacks).

It’s just more of the same, but worse. Even for the sake of argument: if it wasn’t worse, it’d still be more of the same.

I’m not interested in more of the same, I’m interested in things made by people that push the boundaries of what’s possible: (e.g. graphite).