Thanks. Looks like somebody hired just for customer service. You're still correct with your assessment of course.

that sounds like malware

Postman is older than LLM code, but it was always kinda pointless.
https://justuse.org/curl/

https://github.com/postmanlabs/postman-app-support/issues/14370#issuecomment-6649122696

This change is practically a malware. This is downright evil.

Could you link to the reply you're quoting from please? I think there's like a million extra comments now...

The age of Ai code means that I don't even understand the app description anymore:

Postman is an API platform for building and using APIs. Postman simplifies each step of the API lifecycle and streamlines collaboration so you can create better APIs—faster.

🤯

I couldn't find the app developers' reply btw, probably because so many people let off steam meanwhile. So which comment(s) is/are it?

Not using AI agents would be an easy fix

They can be sued for Computer Sabotage in Germany, right?

Thank you all for the vocal and clear feedback: "We don't care but we don't want bad publicity."

as we see many people struggling in wiring these up: "We think developers who handle HTTP requests are stupid."

we thought that the in-product and website messaging conveys the intent: "Sorry not sorry."

In the meantime, we are reverting this change: "We will do it again later because we did it in the past and we still have users who are too stupid to use another tool."

Assholes in the past, assholes today, assholes in the future.

Just because code isn't copyleft doesn't mean it does not require attribution or consent to being scraped by LLMs!

Also, I don't think there's any model out there that has asked for permission for scraping, and if any claim they do, they're almost certainly liars.

In my opinion, you should ideally avoid LLMs if you can do the task yourself. It definitely has some genuine applications, especially translation, but functionally, ethically, and legally, it is not a suitable option for most people.

That'd be great. "Programming" is a part of compsci and by itself, it's pretty limited if you ask me.

There's also !compsci@lemmy.world

I don't see why it would be. Isn't 'copyleft' basically: "You may modify and redistribute this code for free, but whatever you produce with it has to be copyleft as well"?

Extending that to coding agents trained on copyleft code, I would say that any code that agent writes is also copyleft. How is that anti-ethical?

To further complicate matters I'm also a Dungeon Master, so I frequently play NPCs too.

Where have you seen people refer to MIT licensed or public domain works as copyleft? An insane asylum?

Interesting comments from lobste.rs IMHO:

1. 19 upvotes link

   Relevant issue: https://codeberg.org/ziglang/zig/issues/37402

   Pending PR: https://codeberg.org/ziglang/zig/pulls/37417

2. 6 upvotes link

   Hate to say it, but LLM code review certainly would have caught such an obvious "accidentally quadratic" bug.

   23 upvote response link

   And we would have missed the community showing up, and having fun working together on a fix.

   I think this is acceptable in a pre-1.0 language.

You might find redo interesting, if not useful

The state of the internet and how people talk to each other there is so bad that I thought you were talking about changing the words you use to snark at people (since people use "NPC" as an insult, although I have seen a different meme saying how it's genuinely nice to be an NPC just worrying about what sandwich you'll have for lunch instead of having main character worries). Took me a bit to realize you are genuinely just talking about changing your words when honestly speaking of a video game.

You're probably looking for explicitly public domain code, not just avoiding copyleft. That will be rare to find. Permissive licenses such as MIT share with GPL and other copyleft licenses the aspect that they require attribution, while LLMs act as an attribution stripper.

Nothing in itself. I just felt it was antithetical to the intention behind copyleft to train on it then share the result.

It's a good question, I'll think on it more.

Only correct answer so far. Here's the licenses included in the dataset.

very interesting topic but this post reeks of slop and just makes me not want to read it 😞

Copyleft is a standard term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft

Just because it's used incorrectly doesn't mean it isn't standard. "Ironic" is a standard term and is ironically used incorrectly all the time.

What's wrong with copyleft code?

Dolma uses starcoder https://huggingface.co/blog/starcoder, which

are Large Language Models for Code (Code LLMs) trained on permissively licensed data from GitHub

so this might do. Thanks.