This stuff hasn't been the cause of the recent outages. The admin did a Debian update a few days ago, and somehow the server is very unstable ATM. The entire server has been dying on us, so we can't even put up a static maintenance screen.

Oops I just realised I necrobumped this from 5 months ago.

My bad

Hey man, I'd offer to support here but I've got about 3 volunteer projects going at once right now + my hobby projects + my full time job.

Is there any way you can throw up a static maintenance page with some basic "We expect to be back online in X hours" when you need to implement stuff like this?

If you need I can throw together a little something that can help with that, but when the instance is down I have no way to know if the instance is gone forever or if its just a temporary upgrade.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to make it seem like I'm ungrateful, I really appreciate you hosting this, and this system is no doubt necessary, but I accidentally got too much work done today because my memes were gone and it made my day worse :)

There is discord and matrix if you need to get in touch, linked in the sidebar. Unfortunately, as we are a very small team, we can't guarantee that notifications will be sent for unplanned outages, but we do try to send them for planned outages.

There is also a status page, but given it appears to be broken I won't link it :D

If you have any other solutions we'll be happy to consider them.

Yeah I came to c/meta to see if there was any announcement or acknowledgement but nothing.

Are you thinking of solutions for notifying the admin team or about user notification?

Yes.

Was also looking for an announcement.

Went to git.programming.dev to look for updates. Cloudflare error.

Tbh I wish we had better communication about outages, I'll find some bandwidth to think of a solution and try and offer it later

I think there must have been something. I also had the same issue. I wrote in the discord's support channel, but (clearly since Im commenting) it seems to be fixed now

I really don’t know what you are aiming for…

If you need anyone to spell it out to you, you are mindlessly complaining about programming.dev adopting anti-abuse services from a service provider. When lightly pressed on the topic, you fail to present a single problem of doing that or even a single coherent argument against it.

In short, you failed to point out any problem involving or any reason to replace an anti-abuse system. And yet you argue the service should be replaced.

Is "why" such an insurmountable challenge?

I really don't know what you are aiming for...

Concerns about cloudflare becoming an issue are totally valid. Good day.

OK, if there is a monopolistic instance between you and the rest of the world that decides who can reach you

It's the site owners who are rolling out anti-abuse systems. They picked a vendor to meet their needs. I don't think Cloudflare put a gun to their heads to force them to onboard their services. Do you?

Potential threads from this are (but not limited to):

You mean "hypothetical", not "potential".

Meaning, they are imaginary scenarios, and they represent the worst case you could think of.

You need to ask site owners what is their policy for these hypothetical scenarios you invented. On a technical side, removing anti-abuse protection is all it takes to fix it. This means that no action is required to address any of your hypothetical concerns.

You’re asking for specifics on their concerns while not providing the specifics that were already in place in your claim here.

If you want to change something, the very least that's expected of you is that the change actually fixes something.

If you can't even put together a description of exactly what's broken, obviously you can't tell if your proposal is even able to fix anything.

And may I point out the fact that this very discussion starts by admitting that alternatives are not effective?

Change for the sake of change is a pointless endeavour. Moreso if it comes from mindless militancy.

to serve specific purposes

You're asking for specifics on their concerns while not providing the specifics that were already in place in your claim here.

They acknowledged and included reasons for the Cloudflare adoption in their original post.

OK, if there is a monopolistic instance between you and the rest of the world that decides who can reach you and who not and you are depending on that single monopolistic instance, I think we all agree that this is a bad thing.

Potential threads from this are (but not limited to):

• cloudflare going up in price and you have to take it.
• cloudflare is blocking or restricting access to your page, because of political dispute.
• cloudflare collects meta data to reconstruct user behavior and social relationship and uses it to pressure individuals.

The ‘browser incompatibility’ is what’s written on the fallback page.

No. The page clearly says "Incompatible browser extension or network configuration".

It then lists a number of troubleshooting steps to get the page to work.

The question was about the problem that migration from Cloudflare would solve and I provided one particular problem.

I don't think so. Site maintainers are expecting your browser to run the scripts to detect and prevent abuse, and you are going way out of your way to not run them. You are not describing a problem.

The 'browser incompatibility' is what's written on the fallback page. The question was about the problem that migration from Cloudflare would solve and I provided one particular problem. Not that it affects me personally, because I use a standalone app for Lemmy, but I assume there are some people that do not wish to run Cloudflare js

Exactly that, Cloudflare complains about extensions.

What you are describing is not browser incompatibility. It's default fallback page that Cloudflare shows when it fails to run its javascript code.

Site owners such as programming.dev maintainers purposely onboarded Cloudflare to run those scripts, as that's how their anti-abuse system works.

I read, and then I posted. Is there anything in my reply that I can explain to you?

Exactly that, Cloudflare complains about extensions. It's a matter of aggressive tracking protection. I can view Anubis protected sites just fine, only the Cloudflare ones prevent access.

Please reread the first sentence of what you just replied to.

Are you sure this is a Cloudflare issue?

For shits and giggles I logged into programming.dev with Firefox Focus, and suffice to say I'm posting this with that browser.

I also did some tweaking and I did noticed that it I configure Firefox Focus to strip all types of tracking (akin to NoScript) then Cloudflare complains about extensions.

Cloudflare projecting its dominating power onto lemmy?

I'm sorry, this assertion is meaningless scaremongering. What exactly is "projecting it's dominating power" supposed to mean?

And by the way, may I point out that site maintainers purposely adopted Cloudflare to serve specific purposes?

Cloudflare gives its 522 error

This means Cloudflare is forwarding the request but the origin server times out. Meaning, it's the origin server that is unable to handle the IPv6 request.

https://developers.cloudflare.com/support/troubleshooting/http-status-codes/cloudflare-5xx-errors/error-522/

I use Firefox Focus on my mobile and I can’t enter sites with CloudFlare because it says my browser is incompatible.

I also use Firefox Focus and I never experienced that issue at all. Are you sure this is a Cloudflare issue?

Also, site owners are purposely using Cloudflare to protect themselves from abnormal traffic. If site owners are the ones paying Cloudflare to lift these barriers, why do you interpret this issue as a problem created by Cloudflare?