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It's a Letterkenny reference. Just acknowledging the new info provided.
Sorry but I'm afraid this time I'm the one who has to admit to not understanding the reference.
( Oh, and also: this is an Australian Community. In that context, Texas is kinda small. It would be Australia's 6th largest state or internal territory. :D
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That's a Texas sized 10.4
The purpose of moderation is to prevent people from being exposed abhorrent content
That may be one purpose. But it isn't the only one. Another is shaping the norms of a community and what is acceptable. I'll share the parable of the Nazi Bar, but put it behind a collapsible spoiler in case you or anyone else is already familiar:
The Parable of the Nazi Bar, by Michael B. Tager
I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, “no. get out.”
And the dude next to me says, “hey i’m not doing anything, i’m a paying customer.” and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, “out. now.” and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed
Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, “you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them.” And i was like, oh ok and he continues.
“you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.”
“And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.”
I've shared my thoughts on why this particular user deserves the label Nazi elsewhere in the thread, and my reply to Lodion in particular also includes some of the justification for including the screenshot. But I'll elaborate on that particular point here.
I don't think mere exposure to that kind of Nazi rhetoric causes direct harm. Which is why I did not think it was causing harm to screencap the comment. Instead, it is the long-term permissibility of that content which causes harm. The Nazi Bar. If Nazis' views are permitted, you get more Nazis.
I shared the comment first of all to highlight that user in particular to anyone viewing the thread to warn them off from engaging. And also to highlight that same parallel that I made in the reply to Lodion. That even if one person may not themselves be a Nazi, they are engaging in some ideology that is dangerously close to that of Nazis. Highlighting an actual Nazi whose views they would agree with was supposed to serve to emphasise that parallel, while serving as a dis-endorsement of the Nazi's own view. I think that sharing harmful views in the specific context of highlighting both that and why they are harmful is not at all similar to simply having those views and sharing them sincerely.
To be clear, I fully believe that the user in question is a Nazi. There is no other rational explanation for their behaviour. Any space that allows that user is a Nazi bar.
The legislation itself I do not believe is only supported by literal Nazis. But that the ideology in support of them is a similar far-right reactionary one. It necessarily involves gleeful support at the slaughter of thousands of innocent people, including the deliberate killing of medics and journalists whose only job is to reduce suffering and expose how awful the regime inflicting this is. It also necessarily involves support for the restriction on civil rights including freedom of expression. It may not be capital-N Nazi necessarily, but it is certainly far-right authoritarian, of the sort that might have attracted a less formal lower-case-n "nazi" label a decade ago, when actual Nazis were more closeted. But that shouldn't be surprising. My point was to demonstrate that being a Zionist, in 2026, necessarily puts you ideologically very close to Nazis, even if you don't necessarily cross the line into actually being a Nazi, like this particular user obviously does.
In this case, with the understanding of your comment... there is no point for them to try and engage further, for the reasons others have noted.
Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I think you chose a bad phrase to make your point and have not clarified this in subsequent comments.
I took Seagoon_'s comment to be in support of the ban on particular phrases, by highlighting another dog whistle for nazis. Before this, I (like Nath) did not know this was a nazi dog whistle.
I don't believe Seagoon_ is a nazi. I do believe they're a zionist. In Australia as it stands... one is illegal, the other is practically government policy.
To say anyone in support of the new legislation in QLD is a nazi, as you have implied, is an extreme take on the situation. I have many issues with the legislation as it has been passed, but do not believe supporters of it are automatically nazis.
As Nath has commented, as a rule we let human to human discussions run their course... unless they're going off the rails. Simply posting something you do not believe, or you do not agree with is not grounds for a comment to be removed.
That’s good to see, but as of right now the Nazi’s explicit mask-off comment is still up, and they are still not prevented from commenting further in the future.
Which you're clearly good with, since your screen-capped version of the comment is also still up. The purpose of moderation is to prevent people from being exposed abhorrent content, spam, unsolicited nudity, scams and other harmful content. I'm reluctant to step into discussions that are clearly between actual humans as a general rule, unless they are being abusive or derailing threads. I could also count on my fingers the number of human user accounts I've needed to actually ban from the site. Whatever a power-tripping mod is, I am not.
The next time you think a comment should be removed, I would recommend that you don't go out of your way to be sure more people see it as you report it. As things stand, I see more value in this moment as a learning point. Yours is still the only report that particular comment received. The truly offensive stuff, I can be pinged by half a dozen reports within 30 minutes of the comment being posted. I also remain unconvinced that the user who made that comment would self-identify as a Nazi. Zionist, sure - though that is apparent more from other comments than this example.
Their rhetoric is very much Nazi aligned. Have a look at their longer comment in here. Claiming to be taken out of context and that meaning “not evening crossing” their mind, before immediately stating they did mean the “living space” remark in a genocidal manner. Just on behalf of the Palestinians.
To claim those being genocided are actually the ones who are genocidal, which implies post-hoc justification of Israel actions against them (alongside the protestor rally tangent), is Nazi behaviour.
To respond to someone providing the figures for the appalling number of civilian casualties over a short time frame with “at this rate it would take 300 hundred years to exterminate 2 million of them ” is Nazi adjacent behaviour.
Maybe they’re just a particularly uninformed Zionist. However, neo nazis don’t typically wander around saying “that hitler guy is pretty swell amirite guys”. They excel in skirting around moderation online and irl. Hence the nazi bar anecdote; they use free speech as a shield and coded language/dog whistles. If they aren’t a Nazi their behaviour and rhetoric needs some serious introspection.
Edit: I spent too much time going through their post history. Given they post all throughout the day, say they “work at home 7 days a week” and their references to their age; I would guess they’re a retiree that mainlines sky news or adjacent media. Given the boomer - social media to alt-right, brain rot pipeline - checks out with a lot of their remarks on Muslim’s/the Arabic sphere.
That's good to see, but as of right now the Nazi's explicit mask-off comment is still up, and they are still not prevented from commenting further in the future.
Fwiw, I didn't learn the phrase from online discourse about neonazis, I learnt it from education about WWII in its original comment. Until reading other comments in this thread I was not even aware that it was popular among neonazis as a dogwhistle. So we both learnt something unfortunate here today.
Ah fair enough. Thanks for the clarification.
It's hard to take the word of someone who evidently has a history of genocide denial and who then turns around and talks about lebensraum as anything other than an admission of a Nazi-like ideology.
Being someone who you can have a conversation about other subjects with does not affect that. Then turning around and denying it does not change anything.
The only thing that might change my mind would be a complete retraction of both the lebensraum comment and the "there is no genocide" ones.
Seagoon's not a Nazi or promoting Nazi shit. I've seen them posting here and on reddit for years now. Something has been taken out of context.
OK. So you took my comment totally out context.
Wat, am I missing something here. Doesn’t really seem out of context at all. Seems like you’re claiming it was an ironic remark on behalf of the Palestinians, accusing them of genocidal intent with the chant? Misinterpreted maybe. Which is shown by:
You know who else I have heard use the concept living space? A Rwandan. I met a Rwandan when I was a member/speaker at the Marxist Institute in nyc. I asked why he did it, he said it was traditionally their land and they needed the land to live. I was shocked and asked, Even children.
So you know it has at least genocidal connotations then? Which seems to contradict.
what you wrote never even crossed my mind.
From a quick interpretation it seems you’re claiming “I was making an ironic remark implying people being genocided are the ones being genocidal, not a Nazi dog whistle.” Which ya know, the first kinda contradict the second.
The rest, i.e the protest stuff is anecdotal and even if it did happen, doesn’t really add anything to this particular discussion. Given a lot of comments under the post OP is referencing seem to question the meaning of your comment maybe providing context there would have been the move. For all the good it would have done.
Sorry the wording is jank. To clarify I mean the government (in)actions on Palestine justifying pro Palestine activism despite me stating my weariness with it. As in “hard to complain about the activism when the government continuously necessitates it” to a degree.
You're right. Discussion and healing is how we fix these things not banning them.
OK. So you took my comment totally out context.
what you wrote never even crossed my mind
what did cross my mind was the saying " River to the sea" , which is about living space and I wrote living space ironically
River to the sea is a dog whistle
I was in the protest on Oct 8th 23 when the protest leader called River to the Sea and the crowd answered, Kill them.
Oct 8th there was no genocide
You know who else I have heard use the concept living space? A Rwandan. I met a Rwandan when I was a member/speaker at the Marxist Institute in nyc. I asked why he did it, he said it was traditionally their land and they needed the land to live. I was shocked and asked, Even children.
I left and was very shaken. Left the Marxists shortly thereafter.
I'm sorry you are so frightened of me, that you are so unable to question information presented to you, that you are behaving like you are in a cult, that facts and reason to do not make you question your own beliefs.
I won't post here again because you are just too fragile and there is no point.
I think I get what you mean, but I would say that it only "justifies it" to people looking for a reason to justify it. It doesn't actually make the government more likely to give Israel support than they already were, IMO.
Fyi you're currently talking to the Nazi who caused this conversation to start.
If you delete all the users from your politics community that you don't agree with, what is the point of the community?
mobilisation.
A profound lack of awareness or an actual troll.
“I don’t want to engage with Nazis.”
“You should engage. How else will you change my, I mean, their mind.”
That’s the thing. It annoys me because it justifies it, if you get what I mean. Israel’s actions are that of a genocidal rogue state and yet the government seems to be more concerned about policing activist than overtly stating that what Israel is doing is wrong. Like plenty of “Israel has a right to defend itself” at the start but now practically crickets when Gaza has been bombed into oblivion, disproportional civilian casualties and starving them out. Don’t get me started on the fact that Netanyahu has conned the US’ dope in chief into assisting them widen the campaign to Iran.
Awesome name, on the kinda dickhead we need!