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I’ve got a Razer Basilisk X Hyperspeed recently. About a month or two ago. Used price for a decent unit (looks almost new) was about €20. I liked it so much, I bought the second one for my workshop / office place. The price was about €12, but it looks more used. I haven’t noticed any real difference between the two.

The mouse is wireless and supports two computers, as it has both Bluetooth and 2.4 GHz dongle. Which is just ideal for our home, me and my wife, we use the same mouse, but just switching the toggle. She works from home, and the mouse is connected to her work-issued laptop via Bluetooth. And the dongle is inside my stationary at-home laptop. That’s a minor feature, but it quite useful. I’d get this mouse even with the dongle being lost, as it’s perfectly good with Bluetooth only. Especially given the price.

Perhaps that’s very individual, but I just love the form factor. It’s a gaming mouse, but it has zero LEDs. And it looks like it worse for gaming to my old wired A4-Tech X7 from the olden days. (Kept it in my workshop office for no real reason, just found it in the pile of old trash.) I don’t care it being worse, I don’t play games. The mouse has some weird mostly unnoticeable lag, like milliseconds, while playing Warcraft III on Linux. The wired very old mouse has no such lag. I have no idea what’s wrong, either the game being run through wine, or that I have QuadHD main display and not very powerful GPU (Radeon RX580), or that I have six displays totally. I casually play with the computer sometimes, as a mean to distract and wind off, so it’s not anything competitive now (was a semi pro gamer in the past). Apart from that there’s no lag in the system (I tested it with Windows, macOS, and Linux), so the mouse is just perfect for me. A friend has multiple generations of Logitech MX mice, and I like mine more for some reason.

There’s a DPI switch, and the max resolution is 16K which must be good. For me that means that it works reliably on any surface. I set the dpi once and forgot it’s there. It has two side buttons, which can be programmed. I assume they can. I did not try Razer Software recently (used it like ten years ago). I know there’s an open source daemon for handling Razer devices, but I did not bother installing it. I just map the buttons to what I need in my Linux DE, Sway. I assume you can program them in that Razer software, if you use Windows or macOS. If that’s what you mean by programming. Perhaps there are some limits to what you can assign to those buttons. In Linux, I guess you can map whatever you want. I just have a script that maps some keys to Warcraft backpack when I launch the game. It returns the keys to defaults when I close the game. This script works with any mouse, and I used it with that ancient A4-Tech one I mentioned. I upgraded it to this Razer one solely because I like the form more. Plus no wire is a bonus tiny little neat improvement. The price was too low for me not to.

I do not know whether this helps, but I do like this mouse of mine. To me it’s just a barebones mouse from a reputable manufacturer with no bullshit (like LEDs I rather dislike) and a pretty good sensor. I have a white glossy table at home, it works very well on it.

Kids like being cool and trendy. Much more than adults (don't believe me? Go to an opensource conference and count the macs). Anything from the fruit store has been successfully marketed as lit (or whatever the kids say these days). And Geerling, for all the good he does, doesn't care about spyware, lock-in, monopolies, or big tech. He's a pragmatist. Whether that means his godson in "the land of freedom" ends up in the walled garden or not isn't any concern to him.

Of course the nephew chose the Neo.

Haha ok! Really not worth arguing

I agree, in my mind repairability is implied by the ability to upgrade but that isn't always the case.

These have both.

Not only upgradeability, but repairability, being able to swap components, and the general open nature of the hardware.

Less e-waste and Linux compatibility are nice, as well.

Its hard for me to justify framework for a variety of other reasons, but the value proposition was always upgradability / diy options in the first place. That said I'd rather go with a thinkpad right now or an MNT if I wanted to support open design.

I'd still love to get a pocket reform, but I've got 3 thinkpads, 2 of which have had some big upgrades/repairs, and another on the way. At the very least the T/P/etc series are great for repairing and upgrading. Even third party extras are pretty common.

I got it for the repair potential, the ability to swap port modules, and to support the idea behind a repairable/upgradeable/modular laptop. I'm still hoping for better 3rd party module options to become a thing, but even if they don't I still think the extra cost was worth it.

this is a bit off topic but I wish framework would make a dumb keyboard screen that you could plug into hosts. Manufacturers of these price them way high because the demand for them is mostly in data centers but man I have wanted something like that for awhile and I kinda figure they already have the case and such. just need like a part that gives kb and trackpad out along with video in. Heck might be nice to have wireless to.

Exactly. I bought my Framework solely because it's so easy to swap parts. I got burned by a bad Lenovo Legion, and I wanted something I could actually repair (and was designed with that in mind.) Excellent Linux compatibility didn't hurt, either.

I've always thought of the value proposition of the framework as being it's capacity for upgrade.

You should obviously start from a level of compute that meets your requirements, but the additional cost for the framework was always the price of the ability to change out parts later (at the very least the idea of it)

It feels like an apples to oranges comparison but with the only success criteria being the things an apple is designed for (pun intended).

If performance to price ratio was the only criteria they are interested in , the framework shouldn't even be in the race.

There be malicious applications similar to war driving?

Well, guess I am not in that 60%.
But then again, I don't need new RAM for it. Everything other than the motherboard is already there and I can use an old ATI Radeon for the display.

Is that weird? I built my pc somewhere 5-10 years ago and it's still going strong so why would I pay for anything new? My loading times are not the slowest of my friends when playing multiplayer games, and singleplayer games I play on my deck mostly anyway.

God damn, that is really incredible, even x1 is as fast as pcie4x16. But they did bring up some good points about signal integrity at those speeds.

Shrinkflation ram?

China is stealing people now? Maybe chain them down to their desks or something, idk, anything not to be taken against their will.

It's asking a lot to have people print and solder their own mice internals together, even with a parts list. I suppose making the chassis was already a bit of an ask as well, though.

The entire BOM is listed you can just 3d print it and build the internals directly.

The biggest hurdle is getting the PCB but you can just order from pcbway

I built and use my ploopy mouse daily. It's exactly what I wanted.

My biggest struggle in life has been finding a mouse that has side buttons (full numpad, aka an "mmo mouse") and a heavy duty scroll wheel. Maybe there's something wrong with me, but that seems to be the primary part that craps out in my mice.

Recent brands that failed me have been EVGA, Corsair, and Red Dragon.

Currently, I'm using a Steelseries Aerox 9 Wireless. One year in and the scroll wheel is creaking, which is not a good sign. To make things worse, it isn't designed to be disassembeled, so I can't easily take it apart to clean or repair it, unless I wanna destroy the body.

I assume the creaking is because of dust, but I've tried blowing compressed air into it with no luck. It still works, but I don't have faith in it's remaining longevity. I'm also adding Steelseries to my do-not-buy list for selling unrepairable ewaste.

I've seen ploopy and a few other DIY open source mice before, but haven't found one that has the numpad side buttons.

Anyways, sorry I don't have any recommendations, except to avoid those brands. I know you said no gaming mice, but there are a lot more options in that category.

Yeah, I think I read on some forum that a wireless model might be in the works. 🤞

Sorry; no idea. I'm not affiliated with them. I found them organically (almost certainly from an open source community here on lemmy) and I just think it's a really cool project and business model worth supporting.

Not sure if you want some rugged mouse.
Maybe go wireless? G305 is worth a checking.