We'll see upon release on how the Linux environment works on Android Aluminium OS whether it will finally be good enough for the stuff you mentioned. Part of the reason I read before was that Qualcomm was not enabling a necessary feature on their Snapdragon chips necessary to achieve a secure Linux terminal within Android. Although I am not very knowledgeable about these stuff.

With the introduction of Android apps and Crostini on Chromebook, the previous hardware seems to have been outgrown by its software. I think the focus to good hardware now is a correction to that.

i only experienced debian based appliances in cumulus switches and they were a pleasure compared to all the other hardware -- especially arista switches & old infoblox nios'es!!!

The major advantage here is that Google merged the development of Chrome OS and Android. It's still Android under the hood making it probably cheaper to develop than having two different operating systems. At the worst case, Google can keep slapping the same Android as the ones on the phones under the hood and just maintain the user interface. They have already promised 10 years of software updates. They can also wait out for it to mature as the Android phone market will keep its development funded. If it will not be successful, any development can still go towards Android Desktop Mode for phones so Google is not losing that much in this direction.

This feels like a reboot of the chromebook pixel a decade back, great hardware marred by terrible software, I think that only lasted one generation, let's see if this one can last longer than that.

I've spent loads of time working on Linux-based appliances! Most ran Debian and were fantastically simple to work with. Standard tools, simple/fast filesystems, and no surprises.

Countdown to being abandoned start Oct 4 sounds like

the way that the volumes work on android definitely requires a paradigm that most people are unused to, but easy to understand if you've spend time working on linux based appliances.

The Android filesystem abstractions alone make it, "not a real computer" in my eyes.

Want to save a file in your home directory? Forget it! There is no home directory! You've got "internal storage" and only certain, specially-permissioned apps can read and write stuff there... And even then, only in specific locations.

Want to write a script that does, well, anything? Well, you can enable access to bash but how do you schedule it? There's no cron. No systemd timers. You need a special app.

In fact, to do anything on Android pretty much always requires a special app! Built for your specific version of Android (that acts more like a desktop than a phone).

The filesystem is slow AF too. Want to use regular git? Hahaha! Good luck! It's worse than NTFS!

Right, because society really needs google-enforced developer verification environment on desktop.

Not even for free, thx.

For me, since this is Android, any development on Desktop Mode can be ported to the phone version. I really like the idea of Samsung Dex where you wouldn't need a laptop anymore. Just connect your phone to a bigger screen and it will be on Desktop mode.

Does this run the new magenta talent retention operating system?

Not sure yet about the capability of the "Linux Environment." If it is not too locked down, it should be good enough as a linux + android + chrome laptop. Although, it might just be more cost effective to buy a Lapdock and just use Samsung Dex or Android Desktop Mode.

If they run Android, they ain't real computers.

Who said I might stop simply at not liking the price? Please tell me what we should like about this...

I test out Gamehub and GameNative on the regular and it's OK right now. Like it's way worse than Proton on Linux in 2018 but I like to think if it was Valve doing the integration, it'd be 2018 Proton great. Also Android Linux peculiarities rather than regular GNU/Linux/other Linux. This would probably so much better already if we had normal linux phones rather than Android linux. I'm expecting the Steam Frame to show us amazing stuff. And someday buying some used X Elite laptop to test will show off way better compatibility than an Android phone even if the Android phone has a better GPU/CPU by that point

It's bound to have the same limitations as frame gen on PC. Frame gen really only makes sense on powerful devices to hit something like 120 or 144 fps to max out your display. Otherwise the input lag is unbearable.

If devs could limit it to non-intaractive cut scenes that would be nice.

But frame gen never gives you better performance. Using it on a low power device is useless.

This is super interesting -- and a use for frame gen that feels right!

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If at all possible use PWAs or apps like Hermit or Alpha, as to minimize the tracking of banking apls and the like. I am aware that some banking apps allow for better features but there is no reason why anyone should be using social media apps, use PWAs.

Are there tradeoffs?

there are many, and the README lists far more now than it did 10 days ago when I first posted this.

Ok cool thats actually brilliant, I thought it was doing something additional then I realised how many devices it worked with.

Are there tradeoffs?

it's for devices which Graphene doesn't support

I dont understand the benefit of flashing this instead of GrapheneOS as standard.

It does have a lot more options in terms of devices, is that the niche?

this is only monthly but I find it helps