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Countries should go further to de-anonymize users and regulate behavior on online mainstream social media platforms (lemmy.world)
submitted 4 months ago by to c/unpopularopinion@lemmy.world
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I don't think it should be legal to anonymously create a facebook, instagram,X,tiktok,reddit account. Without having accounts traceable back to an identify illegal behavior never stops and the person is never held accountable. Online crimes but are unenforceable as long as anonymity is permitted. There is little to no good that comes from anonymously creating an account compared to the massive amounts of harm. Implementing restrictions does not affect 99.99% of the population and only filters out the tiny minority of people who represent a disproportional amount of harm on the platform.

I still think anonymity should be permitted on tor, i2p and less popular sites.

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[–] 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Ok, so practice what you preach.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I do. I am not posting anonymously. If this posted was investigated by the authorities they would be able to trace it back to a real person.

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    • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Definitely the right community for this post.

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    [–] 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I don’t think it should be legal to anonymously create a facebook, instagram,X,tiktok,reddit account.

    Why did you post this anti-Trump tirade 5 years ago citizen?
    Come with us to the local interrogation center.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    99.99% of people posting those today are not anonymous. So do you worry that in 5 years they will all be arrested?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I don't, but they should.

    I started worrying in 2001. Since then, I've rabidly guarded my privacy in preparation for the day fascism would take over this country. The day is today. I'll be fine, but a lot of people will soon realize they shouldn't've let surveillance capitalism track them everywhere for years, and that they did have something to hide after all...

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    • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (24 children)

    you got my upvote. thats nuts.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 4 months ago (23 children)

    Do you think there is a problem with bad actors on the internet? Im not sure if people disagree that the problem exists or disagree on the solution.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (22 children)

    there are bad actors in life. And its a problem. But you don't want to live in a totalitarian state for fear of them. You don't want to give up liberty and freedom for safety.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 4 months ago (21 children)

    Bad actors in life are tied to their real identity if you catch them and imprison them they do not continue to commit the crime. We dont allow someone to walk into a store assault someone and then come back with a different change of clothes and do it again.

    But online the can continue to commit the crime over and over with no consequences. Its not totalitarian to know who people are.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (20 children)

    they absolutely are not. They where a mask in that scenario and no I don't want more cctv to deal with crime.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (19 children)

    Wearing a mask is not the same as anonymity on the internet.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (18 children)

    Its a close enough analogy and your idea is the same reactionary type of solution.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (17 children)

    CCTV does reduce crime and we do not have a problem of it being used against normal people. So even if it were the same you're saying my solution would be an effective one at curbing the issue with little to no downsides except theoretical ones that upset internet schizo's.

    They are different because the robber with the mask can rob a store and when they are caught(banned) they do not come back. For internet stuff they can rob the store get banned and instantly make new accounts and do this at scale all with zero risk.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    As a CCTV consultant, no it doesn't.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Sure it does. You might find cases where it doesnt but most findings state that it does. The only thing that it across the board does not reduce is violent crime which tracks with expectations.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Nah.

    What reduces crime is strong social nets, good government services, and well paying employment.

    All cameras do is reduce insurance premiums. In retail environments, a loss prevention team can reduce shrink with good training, good policies and procedures. They can do that without cameras. In entertainment venues and residential common spaces, good policies, procedures, and well trained staff do more for those places then anything else. I've consulted on the design and worked in any of those spaces. The cameras are at worst a toy, and at best one tool for an incident that is already ongoing.

    If you don't have a human operating the camera systems as their job, the cameras do nothing.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (13 children)

    Yeah many folk have a problem with ubiquitous cameras in the public space. I think we just disagree here. If you are fine with cameras then yeah you are going to be fine with this online solution. People like myself are not fine with it at all.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (12 children)

    Then you can go into the schizo bucket. Most people are fine with it some may not like it but they accept it is necessary to reduce risk of crime. No one worries like oh no someone is spying on me through the CCTV no one has time for that and no one cares enough about you to do so.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (11 children)

    or schizo is thinking they know what everyone thinks. I guess you only had one nay sayer given your reply. Oh wait I looked through the post and you have many people disagree. So by no one and most you really mean im going to say whatever I want and be disengenous.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (10 children)

    im sorry I dont look at a comment section of 20 people and think thats representative of the average population. it could be 100 people disagreeing in there and its still off by 10000000x. We know average people are fine with it because most of the time they are the ones putting these cameras up.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (9 children)

    and taking them down. sometimes it takes some time for people to realize what they have given up.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (8 children)

    People rarely take them down. Maybe you get some schizo kid who does but most people dont feel the need to.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    yeah I think you have been out of the loop news wise. people have been canceling flock and finding they still are collecting crap and taking out or disabling them.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (6 children)

    You think that because people are taking down flock cameras in parts of the US it applies to CCTV in public spaces all around the world? Am I suppose to read those and think "wow I guess people have finally woken up and started valuing privacy in public spaces"

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    you were the one who suggested because people put them up. that implies individuals. public ones have never been popular with people but sure are with governments.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    Yes. They're put up by individuals, business and government. Ring is extremely popular

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    yeah ring is the thing I was talking about that people were getting rid of.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    I think you read an article that "reported" people getting rid of Ring based on nothing. In reality sales are increasing rapidly and they are becoming more and more common in the US and around the world. A lot of the tech journalism is completely false they know they can report whatever make their audience feel good/mad and no one really cares if its true or not.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    and I think you want to find facts that fit your viewpoint and im likely biased to my own. I really don't care what the majoritys view is though in relation to my own. I certainly don't like the current administration in my country and that would not change if the president had massive popularity among the people. Needless to say I like the internet but don't need to engage in it. Sure I might have to do banking and keep my email but I don't need to be on social media. So if your wonderland ultimate bestus internet comes to be I just won't be a part of it.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago

    I dont want to find facts that fit my view point. What I'm telling you goes against my ideal worldview. I wish everyone in the world didnt have a ring doorbell but thats the world we live in. People have made it extremely clear there is no expectation of privacy in a public space and theyve made it clear they do not care about data collection. So I think given that this is the reality I can look at these as options available to fight against things i consider to be genuine issues.

    You likely already are acting completely within what im proposing so it wouldnt affect you at all. Maybe you're creating multiple accounts with obscured IP and hardware id to multi log on each service.

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    • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Well, I wouldn't go as far as to make it illegal to create an anonymous account, but my anecdotal evidence says that if you want people to behave and for those who don't to actually stay away after they've been kicked, then part of the answer is an account tied to your actual identity (admins have to know, not necessarily users) and a subscription-based bussines model so the users actually have skin in the game and the platform doesn't need to fund itself with ads, thus making users the product.

    I'm a paid member on such a platform and you genuinely can't find people acting like obnoxious jerks there even if you go looking. Here finding one takes 20 seconds.

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    • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    @Auth Uncommon comment, but I agree with you. With the increasing crime rate that keeps filling the news everyday, security should be a high priority.

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    [–] 2 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    In the real world this is actually the case, never understood why it isn’t in the virtual world…

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    The reason I support anonymity is actually because I've experienced the results of not having it in the real world. As someone raised agnostic in the middle of the bible belt during the gestation of what is now open Christian nationalism, I got to see exactly what happens when you aren't part of the in group. Starting in the 3rd grade, gangs of kids would make a game out of keeping me away from the playground equipment. To allow me to play there would taint it with my sin. Group projects would have me abandoned or assigned to work with the teacher. This persisted through highschool where I was barred from joining 4H because I wouldn't pray before every meeting and a teacher failed my participation grade every day for not doing the pledge of allegiance. A decision supported by the SuperIntendent.

    Now the same people that prayed around the flagpole in the mornings to prepare for a day of telling me I deserve to burn in hell are the people who dictate the highest law of the nation. It's luck enough that I'm not also trans or brown became those are the people they picked to destroy first. That doesn't mean they'll stop there. The death of internet anonymity means that when the powers that be run a kangaroo court before my execution, this post will be evidence of my commitment to sin and irredeemability in the eyes of Trump's God.

    I truthfully want a world where anonymity is pointless, but until we live in a world where those in power are without any malice it simply isn't safe. I hold no delusions that my anonymity currently is any actual protection either, but until it's gone it's another hoop they must jump through to get to me and at the very least I can die being petty and difficult.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    This has very little to do with internet anonymity.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    It has very much.

    If they fascist or communist or islamist or billionaire or whatever government you frightens most KNOWS you are a Dissident, you will be prosecuted.

    So how to prevent that? If possible just make anonymity the Standard.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    If you live in a dictatorship, you have a completely other problem; they will get your data no matter what.

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    • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    The platform should be charged for the crimes committed on it. Don't allow them to blame the users and take away all our rights in the real world just because you want a babysitter.

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    • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago*

    -14 I didnt expect this opinion to be so popular here.

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