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[–] 31 points 4 months ago (8 children)

I'm not a historian, but I wouldn't be surprised if marriage existed before governments

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (7 children)

    Government, church same difference (unfortunately very true in more countries than I'd hope 🤢).

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Pretty sure marriage predates organized religion.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Is that a feeling or are you thinking of something specifically?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    Marriage is just making a promise to another person in the presence of witnesses. The government part just ensures certain rights and protections, particularly involving health and money.

    I have no idea why religion would need to be involved. It's not involved in mine.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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    Christian churches sure but if we're talking goverments vs organised religion not sure ...

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    It all depends on the exact definitions to be used. Is a village chieftain a government? Can a 50 person cult be considered organized religion? It's pretty much impossible to be sure, since those things probably predate written records and marriage has definitely existed since before writing. In either case it's pretty silly to blame modern governments or religions for the existence of marriage.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Modern marriage isn't much more than a financial arrangement. Not tryna say people don’t get married for love, but the fact remains that as an institution, marriage isn’t about love and never has been.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Literally just got married this weekend. It was for love. Because now, it's in the public records that I love this woman, and she loves me.

    It was cheaper (for us) than taking a press release.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This probably depends on the country, but being married can make some official processes simpler. For example, if a married person dies there are certain things that just default to their official spouse unless otherwise specified in a legal will.

    This kinda makes your point about it being a financial arrangement, with a bit of a legal one in there too I guess.

    I also think it sometimes makes things easier where kids are involved during official processes.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Yes, lets all blame the one guy you’re thinking of that subjected the entire prehistoric population of earth to their concept of marriage. You’re a genius.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Marriage as a legal status originated in religion. Governments are merely adapting what the church has been enforcing for centuries.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    It began as a way to "secure" having your own babies. "I take care of all your needs and in exchange you only fuck with me so all your children are mine". That's why cheating wasn't seen as a problem for men but it was for married women.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    https://youtu.be/vXpsT3e8UsM?is=f4szbr9-H82I0gYM

    Government should have no place in your love life

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    It's how they urbanised, not why. The why is agriculture. And it wasn't religion the way we see it today.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    No, i would say it's very similar. Pilgrimages, a priest class, specific buildings to worship in and "sunday school" of some form or another. If you disapprove of modern religions but like the old ones then it's really the content of the religion you have irks with.

    Early "shrines" in Mesopotamia were about making a landmark to find and return to and rebuild each time they came by (which isn't necessarily a "pilgrimage", just knowing where to return), and then building large storage rooms for all the grain that could be redistributed to the people. We don't have any particular trace related to sacrifice or teaching worship, or even any mark of distinction between priest and non-priest class, as this was before writing. Source is "the invention of the city" by Gwendolyn Leick.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    It was religion. Religion wanted to control sex. Think of the power this gives them. When you can have sex, with who you can have sex, how you have sex... They decided they wanted to control your life through sex (and social life too).

    This is the reason why they were/are all so anti gay. Get people having sex all the time, they can't have that! Also abortion. People having sex out of wedlock and not getting "punished" with an unwanted child? Sooo scary for them. Masturbation and pornography also, same thing. They want to get all up in your business. They want to control sex and it's the power that gives them.

    Marriage is the church's way of giving you permission to have sex.

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