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[–] 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

These things really can destroy cases as a lot of stuff suddenly becomes inadmissible in court because it wasn't presented through proper channels and jurists may be requested to ignore it entirely. At least this is how it can work in the USA in a lot of cases.

Further, depending on the circumstances of how the initial connection to the pedophile in question was made, it can be potentially considered a type of entrapment, as it may be able to be argued that if this person did not present themselves as a willing child to begin with that the perpetrator may have never attempted to pursue such a crime.

The fact that they're backed by right wing politicians kind of says everything: They're way more concerned with looking like they're doing something about the social issue of pedophiles while actually not doing very much at all. There's also a suspiciously high number of people in these "catch a pedophile" groups who end up being convicted of some sort of pedophilia themselves, as though they're projecting their own disgust with themselves and/or they think people won't suspect them of it as long as they're busy busting others for it. The conservative right wing only cares about appearances, not real solutions, while allowing the Epstein class to continue trafficking, raping, and killing children.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This. Even in a scenario where a bunch of really trustworthy well meaning people were involved in this and doing proper due diligence, it's just not how anything fucking works.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Further, a society that ends up relying on the work of vigilantes usually only happens in societies where the justice system is failing to do it's job and people feel the need to become vigilantes to exact justice. Yet obviously what these groups do is not justice, although it may seem cathartic and akin to justice to people who think that hurting people who hurt others back is the only solution to anything at all.

    It speaks ill about where our society stands and it fits in with the wider theme of conservatism wanting to dismantle modern society and make it fail to function so people stop relying on it. To them, the failure of the justice system and people turning to mob violence is part of the goal to keep citizens fighting among themselves instead of their masters.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    The conservative right wing only cares about appearances, not real solutions, while allowing the Epstein class to continue trafficking, raping, and killing children.

    Looks like you forgot to put that in bold, i'll fix it for you:

    The conservative right wing only cares about appearances, not real solutions, while allowing the Epstein class to continue trafficking, raping, and killing children.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I had no idea that this was a right-wing movement so I'm not defending them at all, but... even if the "bait" didn't go through "proper" channels, isn't the publicity crippling them socially good enough?

    it may be able to be argued that if this person did not present themselves as a willing child to begin with that the perpetrator may have never attempted to pursue such a crime.

    But... they could've still chosen to say "no"...

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    Definitely, but sadly it's his lawyers job to argue things like this to protect their client. It also means a jury has to buy it, which they probably won't if this is actually allowed to be used as evidence.

    I would hope publicly crippling them would be enough, but I'd rather they get actual justice.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Was it the Macron's wife?

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    [–] [S] 25 points 5 months ago (20 children)

    So just let me hand over my autonomy over to the capitalist pdfiles so they can go and entrap sick low level players so we can maintain the perception of improvement. If we had better things to do we wouldn't be fucking around. L00ps, p00ps and dupes. Like we are committing a genocide but at least you captured the rapist pervert. Like a tooth pick in a volcano... marginal gains.. inconsequential metrics to put on a show for grandma. phuck your chat g!p!ty beach... I want trees, clean water and sheet. What a dumb a$$ future

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    the capitalist pdfiles

    You can say the word pedophile here.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Yeah but it ended up being a useful shorthand I like "PDFile" cause it also blends in the main problem BIG TECH

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    This shorthand ruined my job for me. Can't open a .pdf without thinking about terrible things happening to children. I don't understand how everyone is just okay obsessing over this shit when all it gets you is angry.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (6 children)

    Because more people need to get more angry before anything happens.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Plenty of people are angry. Anger is not the thing we're lacking. I don't want to think about pedophiles while I work. They're gonna keep existing whether or not I get mad at em while I try to read a document.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell:

    “I’m as mad as hell, and I’m going to continue to take more because it’s distracting me at work.”

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    My man, I just don't want pedophiles needlessly occupying my attention. Shit doesn't even affect me. I have no kids. I know no kids. I'm just a grumpy old man shouting at clouds if I decide to be angry all fuckin day. You go be the change you wanna see in the world.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)
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    Pedos aren't "fun", what's wrong with you?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    “Low level pedophiles”? uh… fuck em all of every “level” as if the victims of “low level pedophiles” are less victimized or something? Pedophiles are like Nazis in the sense that every single one needs a boot on their throat, I don’t care what their rank is.

    I have zero problem catfishing pedophiles and I think it’s bizarre anyone else would

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 5 months ago*

    ok reading comprehension bub... they selling you the idea of catching pervets while you give up you freedoms. This is a magga freezone. we criticaly think in hur. It is like "what if I promise we catch all the perverts but first we have to cut off your legs and you get no medical insurance." You all are nazis anyways... inoccent people die on death row and that was before chat gippity.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    The state prosecutor in Vesoul said he faced charges of making sexual advances to a person of under 15 years of age, and of soliciting an image of a minor for pornographic purposes.

    So, while I get that this man could be dangerous and needs help... How exactly can you charge someone with propositioning a 21 year old who was pretending to be a 14 year old?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    If he believed the person was under 18 I don’t see the difference, he understood it was immoral and illegal, why it was illegal and chose to do it anyway. If it was an undercover cop posing as a child it would be just as illegal

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

    "I understood they were 21. The fact that they were an adult roleplaying as a child was understood by both parties, and it was obvious, given the wording they used. Roleplaying is quite common on dating apps. Roleplaying as a different age is so common it even has a name, age-play. When I messaged the other party, I thought I was pursuing an age-play dynamic with a consenting adult."

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Thing is, in a criminal case, the prosecution needs to prove the defendant's guilt, hence they would need to prove that the defendant though they were pursuing somebody underage. How would they go about this?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    You just admitted the "girl" was an AI video persona, which is possible to identify with a trained eye. Thus, there was video evidence that the "girl" was being deceptive and all traits they claimed about themselves were suspect. To quote Ready Player One, "she could be a 300-pound dude named Chuck."

    The defendant could claim actual 14 year olds would be unable to orchestrate such a setup with AI personas. Thus, it must have been an older person doing it.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    That, for example, didn’t work for the mob

    And yet, it's oddly difficult to convict a mob boss. Only when it was made illegal to be a member of the mob in the first place (RICO-act) was the US able to meaningfully push back the American mafia. Seems like it works to me.

    (Doubly so since this was a video chat and the AI-created girl was not made up to look like a 21-year old play-acting 14.)

    That is indeed a piece of evidence the prosecution could use to successfully get a conviction, because it disproves the assertion that the person thought they were chatting with an adult. Why didn't you bring this up earlier? You'd make a terrible lawyer. And the fact that you bring it up as an afterthought shows that you don't think of it is important. It's almost like you care more about what the person has been accused of, rather than whether they actually did it.

    Also, please stop acting as an apologist for pædos. It’s really kind of gross. (And go ahead and bring in the pædo-evasion: "AKSCHUALLY IT’S EPHEBOPHILIA!)

    I'm defending the god given right of every man to a fair trial, whatever they may be accused of. Your belief that basic rights go out the window once the crime somebody is accused is significantly heinous enough is antithetical to rule of law and harmful to society as a whole. And, ironically, it makes it easier for real criminals to evade justice by making it easier to convict the innocent.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Are you asking about how the law would handle it, or morally, how would it be justified? 'Cause I can answer the second one really easily.

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  • [+] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)
  • Gavel, gavel: maximum sentence! No chance of parole. No retrial.

    I'm surprised by this. What did you think I was going to answer?

    The maximum sentence thing is a joke, by the way, don't read into it. But do think about this: who exactly are we protecting by giving the opposing answer? Roleplayers? Roleplayers should still know with certainty that they're talking to an adult. I'm not taking negotiations on this.

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