In a statement, Access Now says it was “told that diplomats from the People’s Republic of China (PRC) were putting pressure on the Government of Zambia because Taiwanese civil society participants were planning to join us in person.”

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[–] 67 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Ignore for a moment rather this is right or wrong (it's wrong) but ignore that. THIS is a textbook example of Soft Power. The thing the Trump administration tanked by gutting USAID. The west is still playing old world outdated politics from last century and China is going to leave us and our allies in the dust because of it.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    Trump gutting USAID alone isn't the reason China has so much influence in Africa. The truth is that the West have been exploiting Africa in some way for centuries, and given how much we've propped up dictators and bankrupted entire nations, it's no wonder they'd rather trust China.

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  • [+] -22 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Ignore for a moment rather this is right or wrong (it’s wrong) but ignore that. THIS is a textbook example of Soft Power. The thing the Trump administration tanked by gutting USAID.

    You correctly pointed out an example of soft power and how it could be used for evil proposes. USAID also used soft power to the same ends. Therefore Trump did something positive by cutting it down.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    One can use power to do good, depends on the person who yields it.

    Edit: corrected spelling mistake thanks @Muehe@lemmy.ml

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    This is such a privileged and ghoulish way to justify the deaths caused by the removal of that aid.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It's not like he did it, or has any effect on it. Trump and Musk gutted USAID because they though foreign aid was woke, either not realizing that it was a key pillar of US soft power, or also thinking that soft power is woke. In the short term this will kill a lot of people, but in the long term, USAID, being a means by which the US kept control over the global south, caused more harm than good.

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  • [+] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)
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    Let me put it this way: if I were the president of the United States I would increase foreign aid rather than gutting it, and the aid would primarily be for development so that in the future, they would not be reliant on foreign aid. This was not the purpose of USAID, all the good that it did was just a byproduct of keeping the developing world as dependent resource extraction colonies.

    Allow me a metaphor. If you give a man a fish, he'll be fed for a day; if you teach a man to fish, he'll be full for his whole life. Obviously the just thing would be to give him enough fish to eat until he's learned to fish, and then teach him to fish. USAID was more like giving the man a bare-minimum amount of fish to keep him from dying, but the fish is dosed with little bit of fentanyl to keep him dependent and compliant while you steal his stuff.

    USAID was a trojan horse. The supposedly benevolent acts were always a cover for undermining governments the US is hostile to. USAID had a literacy program in Afghanistan in the 80s that promoted violent jihad, in order to undermine the Soviets and the Soviet-aligned government. They used an HIV prevention workshop in Cuba to organize anti-communist dissidents.

    The fact that the USAID cuts have already killed hundreds of thousands of people is testament to the amount of dependence the US had nurtured. They prop up right wing kleptocratic governments that do nothing for the people, which keeps wages low and resources cheap, and made up some of the shortfall with aid since people who are dead of starvation or disease can't extract resources. This was a trap.

    The current crop of right wingers are too stupid to understand this and thought it was just woke liberals giving stuff away for free to be woke. Out of what they thought was merely an act of selfish cruelty (what they refer to as "based"), they are actually undermining the American empire. The proximate effect of this is in the literal sense mass murder (and if you combine this with the fact that they nurtured dependence on aid and then abruptly cut it off, could be argued to be genocide) and it should be punished accordingly. The ultimate effect, however, will be the liberation of the third world.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago*

    One hegemony replaced by another.

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 6 months ago

    Wow, this discussion went off the rails right quick. 😄😄

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] [S] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    LOL!

    Nah, I’m tough, I can handle it. (Just sometimes wish we could downvote in here.😉)

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    most instances have downvoting

    some instances such as lemmy.blahaj.zone disable downvotes

    the ability to downvote and see downvotes is a good thing and i will die on this hill

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  • [–] 59 points 6 months ago (31 children)

    The CCP is so terrified of that little island.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I mean I'm no fan of the CCP either but there's likely not much fear involved here. It's basically an ego project, not unlike Cuba on the other side.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    This is the second comment that I've seen where you compare to Cuba. Are you saying what China is doing is ok because America fucked over Cuba?

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Nope. In my other comment I was saying that both are bad but America is worse; here I'm trying to say that both are ego projects, and therefore that the CCP's treatment of Taiwan doesn't imply fear any more than America's treatment of Cuba does. No real relation between the two comments except using the same comparison of how either powerful empire treats its pet rebellious province. For the record I think mainland China should leave Taiwan the fuck alone.

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  • [+] -9 points 6 months ago (20 children)

    Not the island itself but what America/the West turned it into: an unsinkable aircraft carrier (quoting general MacArthur here). But the days of Western imperialism might just be over, or at least that seems to be the way things are going, so I assume that island and mainland China will be just fine in the near future.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (19 children)

    That island contains the true government of China and the CCP will do whatever they can to hold onto power so I don’t think they’ll be fine until one destroys the other.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (15 children)

    Stupid take. By this metric the true government of the US are the confederates.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    Can you point to the region where the Confederate government retreated to after the American civil war and remains in power to this day?

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  • [+] 13 points 6 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    I get what you're implying but it's not factually correct in this case. The Confederacy was dissolved after it lost the civil war, there's no continuity with any of those state governments.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Living in the Deep South: my ass. Even Operation Paperclip was modified off what the US did with the Confederate scum: placed them in government and other positions of power and influence.

    Sherman should have burned it all and salted the earth, besides.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    Let's say there is a public school. I kill the principal, build a new school, hire 30% of the old school's teachers, and completely change the rules and curriculum.

    Is the new school the same as the old school?

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    ...trust me on this. Even the reconstruction and Jim Crow eras weren't equivalent to what was going on prior to the Confederacy. I know from personal experience that the south is a shithole, but you got to give them credit where it's due.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    I'm not trusting anyone who says "trust me."

    I know it was bad. I said what I said.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    You don't have to trust me. The information is available on Wikipedia. You are objectively wrong. The government imposed on the south after the civil war is substantially different than the one that would have formed if the Confederacy had won.

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  • [+] -3 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Xi's $0.50 Army is fast approaching.

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  • [–] 75 points 6 months ago (22 children)

    And with that, China essentially hold Africa hostage and would blackmail them to do whatever China wanted. But of course, they do it without bloodshed so tHeY aRE bETteR tHAn tHe wESt

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  • [–] 38 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    "Better" can be interpreted in more than one way. They're better at exerting control without violently changing regimes. They're better at establishing their own infrastructure and ingratiating themselves to the locals (or local governments). Now, I don't know that everyone loves them there (I heard many side comments from locals about China) but it's not like they're scrambling for the Americans, British, or French to come back and overtly oppress them again.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago (5 children)
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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    No, but it makes it better. To understand how much better, the closest comparison on the Western side would be Cuba.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I know the lives of non-Westerners don't matter to you but a lack of bloodshed kinda makes a world of difference, lol.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Yes because psychological abusive partner is way better than physically abusive parter.

    I'm a non-westerner. Next you gonna tell me woman don't exists on the internet.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    More like we're the abusive ex, complaining about the ex's next partner. We raped and pillaged Africa for 500 years. Now China is treating them much better by comparison, and we're shit talking from the sidelines freaking out because we are narcissists who can't stand anyone being happy without us

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    As opposed to the 500 years of rape and pillaging by the European powers? Yes, unironically better. (Unless you're a western chauvinist )

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    It's about now, not about 20 generations ago.

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    For real, lived in China for 5 years, it's the most racist country I've been to. They even discriminate people from where they're from in the country, it's nuts.

    Can you imagine if the US started a legit government backed operation in 2026 called One US Policy and forced everyone be "white" Christians? And I don't mean suggestions, they FORCED you to do it. It would be world news about how the US is racist and whateverist ect. China? Nah it's cool they're just "unifying".

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago*

    do you know Taiwan is a settler colonial state that massacred thousands of native Taiwanese people when KMT fled there after getting brutally mogged by Chairman Mao?

    Also I dont think you know what one china policy is.

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  • [+] 3 points 6 months ago (9 children)
  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    american concentrationcamps 😡

    chinese concentrationcamps ☺️

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  • [+] -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    they r both bad. its not that hard to comprehend brother

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    "Paywall" stopped by pressing ESC.

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  • [+] -12 points 6 months ago* (14 children)

    At some point we'll be talking about the US military actions to "protect Taiwan". I just want you to remember this comment when that happens.

    Like, whatever you think about China, it really doesn't matter. These stories are only here to serve as a means to manufacture consent for US actions in the future.

    It's for more war. Just like Iran. Just keep that in mind as we push further into the next world war. No one writing articles like this cares about the "digital rights conference" and you don't either.

    If you cared about "digital rights" or any "rights" you'd be refusing to go to work until the genocidal pedophiles in your own government were brought to justice. You don't care.

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  • [+] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    You can care about things. But, honestly, when you read an article do you never ask yourself "why am I reading about this and who wants me to think this important?"

    Like, let's not use China. A lot of people have a hard time with it. Take for example "trans woman in sports". The conservative brain might be very concerned about this. Why? Do they play sports? Have they even met a trans person? No. But they are told that this is a very important thing. They convince themselves that it's important to their lives.

    Now, you (I hope) and I know these types of stories are just forms of manufacturing outrage to direct blame away from the real problems with American society.

    That's what I'm talking about in my initial comment. It's just not Trans kids in sports. It's some thing China is doing related to their relations with Taiwan.

    Now, the problem is, you don't think "why am I reading about this? Who wants me to care about this?"

    You start asking yourself those questions when you read any articles about any of the US "enemies" in global politics. You'll start to see the manufacturing of your concent for more war funding everywhere ; you'll see it as obviously as the "trans kids in sports" is to you today.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    They're definitely gearing up for major anti-China action, but I doubt Trump or the oligarchs are that keen to fight a war they'll lose even worse than the war with Iran. After that disaster, many of the US's potential allies in a war over Taiwan will not be keen on sticking their neck out. Without their support, the US has little chance at stopping China. It'd be much more convenient for them if Taiwan surrenders to China and they can virtue signal about authoritarianism. They might even get the computer parts on backorder for a few years.

    The only reason the US would go to war with China is if Trump really is that stupid. In that case, nobody but his cult will really be happy with the outcome.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Thanks for the reasonable response in an array of bad ones.

    I'd say when I'm talking about war with China - I don't believe that is going to happen under Trump. There are steps that need to occur before that. Especially in terms of forcing European support via a dependence on American controlled Oil.

    So, I don't really disagree with you on the short term. But, there is a reason for the US propaganda to alienate China. They need to maintain them as some evil power that must be stopped.

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  • I don't think the US is gonna be in any position to force European support via oil dependence. The harder they try to bully Europe, the more Europeans are gonna fall into China's camp. This is especially true if China becomes a dominant provider of renewables; the Iran crisis alone has demonstrated the wisdom of diversifying one's energy grid. Besides, Europe will want to become less reliant on oil if they want to be capable of opposing Russian conquest. Between the US and Russia both trying to carve out sections of their countries and spheres of influence, China is a safe and sane bet.

    The days of US hegemony are well and truly over, and they will probably not be returning in our lifetimes. Multipolarity was inevitable even before Trump, something that Obama was keenly aware of and tried to navigate around. China was always gonna be a primary power, but thanks to Trump they are probably gonna be number one. They will never replace the US in every respect, but they will take their place as the system for the world to emulate. It will be an era of industrial capitalism and increased barriers to trade, where neoliberalism and the free exchange of goods are things of the past. There will be no more pretending that China is an underdog.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    These stories are only here to serve as a means to manufacture consent for US actions in the future.

    These stories are here to remind that there is an elephant in the room. Fortunately it's only breathing loudly at the moment.

    China has territorial ambitions regarding several neighbours (sea areas) and serious ambitions about Taiwan (taking it over) and unless the international community can help Taiwan and other countries achieve a peaceful co-existence with China (and this means backing them)...

    (note: air raid simulations with 100+ aircraft testing Taiwan's responses or naval blockade simulations with tens of warships around the island are not peaceful coexistence, and China has been running such exercises)

    ...then we better start learning how to make microchips in every country and obviously pay for that. Because if war happens, Taiwan will be in ruins and China under a boycott, possibly with a few strategic locations also in ruins - and the rest of the world in a severe economic crisis due to lack of microchips. There is also nonzero risk of China attempting to conquer Taiwan escalating to a bigger war between coalitions of countries, with all the possible consequences.

    If someone is bullying someone else, the wider community wold be wise to intervene early and dissuade agression.

    So yes, what we are seeing is a prelude, which will likely lead, if not dissuaded, to agression against Taiwan at some day in future. What the rest of the world thinks about on that day, is not yet determined. The US and Japan and South Korea have previously made fairly clear what they will think, but recently the US is running headless.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I think Europe's best hope regarding Taiwan, is to establishing a EU-NATO partnership where Europe protects Taiwan, getting military chips in return. If Europe doesn't do that, the only good alternative is to develop their own chip technology to at least equal China.

    Another possibility is India protecting Taiwan. India isn't friendly with China, and being able to have top-end technology would very much help India in the decades to come. There is much soft and practical power to having the chips.

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Johnny Harris? Is that you? I hope the CIA is paying you at least.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    Who is Johnny Harris? You can find me here. Once you figure out the agency who pays me, tell me too, I'll go and cash in then. :)

    In return for the quesiton, I will ask you - which news sources do you use?

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Ah I get. Johnny Harris is a popular YouTuber that once worked with the CIA (obviously still does) that does a lot of "China is a concern" content. He's a typical US imperialism supporting liberal. Basically says the exact type of shit from your first comment.

    You know what the difference between a liberal and an anarchist is?

    The former actually gets paid to spread CIA talking points about China. I guess you're just the later. Sorry, I'm sure you understand why I would have been confused. It's so hard to tell the difference between neocon liberals and "China is a threat" anarchist these days.

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