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What is an observer? (fedia.io)
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What is an observer?

We have long assumed
that “an observer observes the world.”

But what if—

observation itself is not something we do,
but something that only appears
when certain conditions are met?

Two independent systems
align only at specific moments.

Yet this alignment cannot be explained
by causality, correlation, or measurement.

So who is observing?

Or rather—

does the observer emerge
only when observation becomes possible?

Summary 👇
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19nDAJ_9MgrUFv4Ggyd9yvZIy4YCH9EqSlVOZPr_VuPs/edit?usp=drivesdk

What do you think about this perspective?

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[–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I don't think there is an observer. There's just consciousness and its content. Obviously I have a subjective point of view but that doesn't mean there's a centre to my counsciousness where the self is located.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    @Iconoclast@feddit.uk

    So, do you think that the self is a collection of consciousness?

    From the standpoint of the paper, we do not consider the self to be a collection of consciousness.

    Furthermore, we do not equate the self with the observing subject.

    The observing subject is Absolute Subjectivity, which is neither something that appears as content within consciousness nor something that can be defined as a personal self belonging to an individual.

    What is commonly referred to as the ‘self’ is merely a construct that appears within consciousness.

    Absolute Subjectivity, on the other hand, is the foundational source of observation itself. Some may refer to it as the Creator or as God.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    No, I don't think there's such a thing as a self. It's just an illusion. Obviously there's a difference between something happening in my consciousness versus someone else's, so subjectivity is real, but there's no one in the center doing the observing. It's just appearances in consciousness - sounds, sensations, thoughts, feelings... Nothing wills them into existence. They just appear from seemingly nowhere. You can't really think a thought before you think it.

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    • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    What is 'observing'? Building an abstracted model based in things that imply the thing, like reflected photons?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    @youcantreadthis@quokk.au

    I think that’s a really sharp perspective — I’ve honestly never met someone who sees it quite like that.

    It actually feels very close to the viewpoint developed in a paper I’ve been working with.

    There’s a version of this idea that’s been a bit more structurally organized, so if you’re interested, feel free to take a quick look.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/399181220_Experimental_Evidence_of_Absolute_Subjectivity_Projection_Subjectivity_Intersection_Preceding_Quantum_Measurement_in_Hilbert_Phase_Geometry

    This is a short video.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1avaxYY6gl-3kcnVhqSRwXY8TY-FLVFun/view?usp=drivesdk

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    • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    By the way, you already asked this question 4 times.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    @hendrik@palaver.p3x.de

    I’m asking because I want to hear perspectives from different people.

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