Donald Trump entered his war of choice against Iran without consulting global allies, but as he weighs an exit from the conflict, he is making it clear that he is expecting the world to help him fix the unintended damage that it has caused.

Trump is taking an increasingly annoyed tone toward Europe’s lack of support for the U.S.-Israeli war effort. He also is giving short shrift to the fact that his decision contributed to disrupting the flow of oil to global markets through the crucial Strait of Hormuz, which Iran has managed to largely choke off even as Trump insists that Iran has been “decimated.”

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[–] 76 points 7 months ago* (5 children)

Frankly I'm loving the new oil prices. They're a great economical incentive to go renewable instead.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    While high oil prices are a great incentive to go with renewables instead, a sudden spike in oil prices like we have seen over the past few weeks does not really give people time to respond. Instead they just have to accept paying for higher prices for everything (give it a few months before the high price of oil and energy will have trickled down to virtually everything you buy)

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Sure, but the same happened in the 70s. Europes' response was to demand much better fuel economy from cars, and insulating homes much more to save on heating. If this is drawn out long enough we'll likely see a similar response with people moving to electric vehicles and dropping gas an oil for heating.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago*

    IIRC that same crisis also spurred funding for some of the key initial research that eventually culminated in lithium ion batteries. Considering the various stops and starts in that timeline, battery tech could easily be a decade or two behind where it currently is if not for the oil crisis.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    They've already had about six years to respond since the supply chain disruptions during covid, not to mention decades of warnings by climate scientists before that.

    Society chose to be short-sighted. It doesn't get to cry "We don't have time to respond to such a sudden and totally unpredictable spike in oil prices!"

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  • [–] 110 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Now why would he need help with a war that he won 11 times already?

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  • [–] 40 points 7 months ago

    Trump literally said yesterday though that the Strait of Hormuz isn't necessary to secure, so why would we need Europe to help with it?

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  • [–] 33 points 7 months ago*

    The Narcissist’s Prayer:

    “That didn’t happen.”

    “And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.”

    “And if it was, that’s not a big deal.”

    “And if it is, that’s not my fault.”

    “And if it was, I didn’t mean it.”

    “And if I did, you deserved it.”

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  • [–] 51 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    If he announces Iran has been decimated an eleventh time, then we’ll know he’s lying.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Well actually, 1 • 0.9^11 = ~0.314, so at that point about 31% of Iran would still remain.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, (if I’m following you) if you decimate what’s left each time. But if you decimate one part of the original each time, you only got ten times until there’s nothing left to decimate.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Iran seem to have LOST the propaganda war...in the United States.

    The rest of the world knows what's really going on.

    America...so far behind it thinks it's ahead.

    World War Greed

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Iran seem to have LOST the propaganda war...in the United States.

    Say what?

    Anecdotally, go look at the YouTube comments for any video related to Iran, their 80% against it.

    Even on local news videos, where everyone generally supports the death penalty for petty theft or aggravated liberalism.

    Even if those are bots, they're still proof positive that the propaganda war has not been won by the pro-war factions.

    And when it was actually polled, 60% of Americans opposed the war on its first week and wars don't get more popular over time.

    MAGA and the GOP broadly support it, which is about 1/3 or the country, but that's a lost cause.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Lost according to who? Everyone I’ve talked to here in the US knows that America is getting its ass kicked and they’re all pointing to trumps TACO train.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    "Everyone I’ve talked to"

    The propaganda is on TV. Faux Nooz and such.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Oh it’s been long known that MSM is nothing more than a government mouthpiece at this time, and luckily most people I personally know, know that and know better. You’ll always get people who fall for the propaganda

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Yes, you and I know that.

    I stopped going to the local gym BECAUSE they have Fox on the TV WITH the sound up. I get these buffed out dudes stomping back and forth in front of the TV getting madder and madder. I don't even dare trying to talk to them. Their brain is "clean".

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Everyone I've talked to This is a thing called confirmation bias. It is highly likely that you surround yourself with people who have a mindset similar to you. Of course they will agree with your standpoint.

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    [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    Actually it is worse then that. He completly ends the Carter Doctrine of keeping Middle Easts oil flowing if necessary by force. This is a massive hit to the petrodollar as well.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    Best way for the world to fix it is to give him an all-expenses trip to Hague.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Drop him off in the Atlantic.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago

    Oil was flowing through the Strait fine without US help. Now look at what they did.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    Apparently the EU isn't as willing to jump to the aid of a pedophile as America's own technocrats are.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Pedo Don has poopie in his diaper. He’s going to throw a fit if someone doesn’t clean his bum bum.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    good thing withdrawing from NATO requires an act of congress, not a temper tantrum.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I’d hope NATO actually makes a clear distinction between aggressors and defenders in a war. Trump has already twisted ‘national threat’ to justify whatever he wants, and while his own country seems fine with it, I can’t imagine international allies just going along with that kind of logic

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    NATO is a defensive alliance. It was used only once (right after 9/11).

    In the past individual nations can choose to help, but that's outside of NATO's purpose.

    No nation wants to help because 1) few months ago he threatened to attack NATO 2) the mess he created is massive and also no one trusts US government to be competent right now, so getting involved will only end up with even bigger losses

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    So basically, it has nothing to do with NATO really.. How come he things it has?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    He is doing what putin asks. Putin loves creating dilemmas.

    The ideal (for putin) scenario would be to have Europe to decide between getting oil from Russia (this is why trump lifted sanctions) or get involved in Middle East.

    Both of those would lead to decreased support for Ukraine, first one he could threaten to cut oil off they didn't, the second would be very unpopular with public and Russia would exploit isolationist tendencies.

    I'm actually glad that it looks like Ukraine is bombing Baltic terminals and Europe realized that greeting involved in the mess trump started will make things even worse.

    And yeah there are people saying "how can trump new helping Russia when he attacked Venezuela and Iran who are Russian allies" the answer to it is to look if those actions helped putin or hurt putin.

    In Venezuela he removed Maduro but kept the old Russian friendly government.

    Iran it massively helped. The oil prices spiked when previously Russia was selling at a loss, by helping Iran Russia still is seen as ally and now US is dragged to the same war Russia sights with Ukraine (ideally he would want rest of NATO be dragged there too).

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    He didn't understand that he couldn't make deals with individual countries in the EU in his first term and badgered Merkel about it repeatedly despite being told. So he doesn't understand it, wilfully or otherwise ... but he's also surrounded himself with people that don't understand it either.

    People like Trump don't use this type of talk to gain a better understanding or to communicate truth or ideas. They use it to get what they want, which is why his statements are jarring to people that pay any decent attention.

    "The strait is fine" is to try to calm the stock market -- but -- "NATO needs to help the strait" is to get other people to fix his fuck up

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    I'm used to AP titles being pretty dry, but they have started putting some bite in them.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    I recall Donald saying we would be done in 2 to 3 weeks.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Dumbass says dumbass thing, what's the news here?

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