U.S. officials are threatening major changes to a trade agreement with Mexico and Canada that could upend the way business is done and leave Canada on the outs.

The Trump administration has a list of things it wants Mr. Carney to concede, including longstanding grievances about protected industries in Canada, such as the dairy sector. Another pressing issue for the U.S. administration is the fact that liquor distributors controlled by Ontario and other provincial governments in Canada pulled U.S. liquor off their shelves last year, in retaliation against Mr. Trump’s tariffs on Canada.

Trump administration officials have also been irked by Mr. Carney’s global charm offensive as he seeks to bolster Canada’s trade relationships with other countries, including China. Responding to a modest tariff deal that Mr. Carney struck during a visit to Beijing last month, Mr. Trump threatened to impose 100 percent tariffs on Canadian goods, and claimed that China would “take over” Canada and even ban hockey.

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Mr. Trump and his advisers have indicated that the three-country pact could be scrapped altogether. Instead, the United States could end up with bilateral deals with Canada and Mexico, the advisers have suggested. The White House did not respond to a request for comment.

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[–] 49 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

How about Canada And Mexico sign agreements with Europe, Latin America, and the TPP and see how the US manages without being able to exploit anyone?

Canadians don't need the US, they have literally 10x the natural resources per capita. The US is not negotiating from a position of power.

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Nobody up here is taking these threats seriously anymore. Manufacturing in the US would immediately crater. So many Americans would lose jobs, and thanks to their bullying isolationism nobody is lining up to replace Canada as a viable trading partner.

    Having no free trade with the US would suck but it’s temporary. Being a vassal state or getting annexed is permanent.

    Maintain current elbow position.

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Canadians on the whole aren't worried about this. But remember fellow Canadians, it can still hurt. We need to be prepared to make sacrifices individually.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    I think we're all clear on the assignment. We've all taken a hit for the sake of "Buy Canadian" and other movements, to help with re-alignment, and we all know we're going to have to support each other as shocks continue to hit. An important factor, however, is the pain needs to be distributed in a reasonable way. The TSE index funds are seeing solid and gaining dividends. We need to see some more movement from the top income brackets in putting those dividends back in to domestic industry to help compensate for inevitable job losses.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago

    My sister was a drummer in a 3 piece band with a guitarist and a vocalist (Sparse I knoow). The vocalist ended up kicking the drummer and guitarist out of the band and refused to admit that it means she left the band.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Mexico should tell the orange pedo rapist to kiss their ass (but in Spanish). Canada and Mexico should do trade deals.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Been listening in on the finance bro economy speak podcasts over the last while and what Americans don't seem to grasp is that this isn't going to go away when they kick Trump out of office. This is permanent damage done.

    Canadians will happily take the hit while the government sets up new trade partnerships because we spent the last year doing it. There are now crops coming from local farms that didn't exist two years ago because we were importing before then but the threats and market pressure placed national food security at the top of the priority list. Canadians as a people will made everyday sacrifices to do the thing and start winning back our independence from reliance on American trade. As an ally America has proven it is too volitille to trust even if they elect someone less crazy there's no assurance that the system will honor it's commitments anymore.

    It will take a little while before the American economy looks like it is properly done for. Those small businesses are already disappearing along with the manufacturing jobs because raw materials that are tarriffed now will eventually just divert to other markets permanently. People are no longer going to the US for tourism the way they once did and once the tourism infrastructure of kitschy little customer service venues that depends on those dollars is lost those locations are going to start losing some of their charm as destinations. Once these private businesses burn through their credit and are forced to close shop your landscape is going to look very barren. I implore Americans to keep up the fight against this admin and at least try to stem the soft power and economic hemorrhage before it gets worse.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Oh we understand all too well. The damage from the current administration will take years to recover, decades, generations. Some of it never will

    For me the anti-intellectual oppression is worse. That brain drain is something we’ll never recover from

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    Hahahahahah 🤡

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago*

    Lmao so just… a trade pact with ourselves?

    Honestly, I couldn’t come up with dumber ideas if I tried

    Edit: I guess the intent would be us and Mexico somehow puppeted/manipulated or whatever. But tbh I think that says more about some latent thoughts he might have about getting some Lebensraum in Mexico.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago
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    A North American trade pact without Canada?

    So ... basically just a trade deal with Mexico, eh? Have fun with that.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    Leave out Mexico, too. It’ll be painless.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    All the more reason for Canada to join the EU then

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    it’s just a weak attempt at the prisoners dilemma but to give up concessions for trade.

    It’s not going to happen.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Goodbye Felicia

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    There's nothing new about that idea whatsoever.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Ban hockey? Wow, that's harsh. Casus belli. I'm not even sure if Canadians would be sorry after genociding Americans for the hockey ban.

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Sure, Carney is so popular right now that Conservatives keep crossing the aisle, but he'll definitely cave to the US when nearly every Canadian approves of cutting off the US

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    [–] 37 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    This is just an attempt to get Canada and Mexico to play lowest bidder.

    Really transparent and weak move.

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Agreements made with Trump are not worth the paper they’re written on.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago

    What's a trade pact worth when the US won't honor it anyways?

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago

    Coming soon: TACO night. Again.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    That would be a Mexican trade pact.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Dude "wrote" a book on negotiations, but only knows how to play one tune.

    And USA congress keeps trying to vote to end those tariffs on Canada.

    If Carney's team is smart, by the time USA move on, we would have stronger ties with the rest of the world and business with USA would be optional.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    Ignoring these idiots and carrying on without them must be working. Make a pact with Mexico and revisit it when they bring in an administration that honors agreements that are more than 10 minutes old. At this point, agreeing to anything is pointless.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    Mr. Trump threatened to impose 100 percent tariffs on Canadian goods, and claimed that China would “take over” Canada and even ban hockey.

    Since every accusation is typically a confession with Republicans, I wouldn’t be surprised if one of Trump’s next moves is to ban Canadian teams from playing in the States.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Mr. Carney’s global charm offensive

    What an odd way to describe diversifying trade.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I dunno, seems like a perfectly fine way to describe what he was doing. What's your issue with it?

    He wasn't diversifying trade in his speech at Davos, even if that was ultimately his goal.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    No issue? Simply observing the language being used to describe something rather normal on the global stage.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I wasn't attacking you. You took issue with the language used and I didn't understand why. Still don't -- it seems like a common way to describe a common occurrence to me -- but you don't have to explain it if you don't want to.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    So Canada's already had trade delegations in Mexico, very recently even, discussing 'things' with their partners. Both Mexico and Canada could easily read the room as soon as Trump was elected, that 'nafta' was toast -- and have likely got their own bilateral agreements shelf-ready for when Trump shits himself during trade negotiations later this year.

    Trump throwing a pants-shitting hissy fit isn't a surprise to anyone. Nor is him responding with more threatening bullshit, when people are shying away from the US because of their threatening bullshit.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    It would hurt but honestly I would be ok if Canada stopped trading with the US completely.

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    And he thinks Mexico is going to go on with a trade deal without Canada.

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  • [+] -6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I'd assume Mexico like us is fully dependent on the US for access to USD. All he needs to do is threaten tariffs, whose going to play chicken with their entire economy?

    Not that anyones happy about it, its a sad reality. When the US did protectionism with the Smoot Hawley tariffs some say it caused a world war, as every country owes debt in USD and went into a debt crisis.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Oh well I guess we'd best all surrender then.

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Ya that's pretty suicidal as a country, and all to protect a few monopolies that shouldn't exist.

    Even if we did inevitably diversify away from the US, who takes 80% of our exports, its going to take a decade. Its not going to be pleasant.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    Oh no! Anyways….

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    So a MexUSA trade pact, not a North American. I mean, he can call it whatever he wants I suppose, but it will still be what it is regardless of the name.

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  • So a trade pact with only the U.S. in it? Sounds good.

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago

    I hate Trump for being American but he keeps winning with these trade deals.

    He got us out from under the American thumb with NAFTA. If he can get us out if CUSMA then he'd be the best American president in my lifetime.

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