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[–] 8 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

Croc file share, uses a relay to find each other https://github.com/schollz/croc

Session Messenger, uses a tor style server network https://github.com/session-foundation/session-android

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I have a strange love in my heart for IPFS. I can't justify it, but it's there. Beautiful atoms... such promise...

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Tox is interesting, though potentially less secure than Briar as they rolled their own encryption and have not been audited (afaik).

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Yggsrqsil network I2P Freenet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.A.T.M.A.N. IPFS SSB / Manyver.se / PZP Briar Project Tailscale Syncthing Localsend

    There are lots of others, but most either shut down, got turned into scams, or were always scams.

    There was one chat app I remember, I think it was called firechat or something. They ended up removing all the P2P features from it and removed all references from their advertising.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    Yggsrqsil network I2P Freenet [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.A.T.M.A.N](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.A.T.M.A.N

    have great potential but not user friendly at all at current stage. Or is there any user friendly software that uses this I didn't find?

    IPFS SSB /

    Any guide on how to start using IPFS?

    Manyver.se /

    No longer in active development

    https://forum.f-droid.org/t/why-was-manyverse-removed-from-f-droid/33750

    PZP

    Can't find anything on internet

    Briar Project

    great stuff already in the list

    Tailscale

    added to the list

    Syncthing Localsend

    I don't think they are p2p since they can only work in LAN

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    SSB (Secure ScuttleButt) is the protocol behind the app Manyver.se

    There are some issues with it though, so the lead dev of Manyver.se created PZP as a sort of revival of the project. Unfortunately, funding ran out and other commitments took priority, so he had to step away from the project right after its first release. It's functional, but barbones and in desperate need of developers.

    Yeah, Freenet is not user friendly at all. Ive tried a few times, but was unable to get it running at all. I2P I had similar issues with, though I did get to try it out. The main thing is that it needs a browser dedicated to it to work properly and is finicky.

    Yggdrasil I actually found to be rather polished. It just makes a new network adapter like Tailscale so it's compatible with pretty much everything. Main issue i had was DNS. That, and a lack of content or new features. Its the same now as it was 5 years ago, even with regular updates. There's just very few websites on yggsrasil.

    IPFS is complicated. Its harder to setup, but comes bundled in lots of other apps. My main issue both it is a general lack of polish and quality of life features. It has everything else though. Its a functional p2p internet that works both alongside and instead of the regular internet. Its just really clunky amd unpleasant to use, is slow, and doesn't have much content on it. Its also riddled with scams and crypto crap taking advantage of it and ruining everything.

    Syncthing doesn't only work on LAN, it can work through any network interface including Tailscale and yggdrasil, and has public relay nodes in case you don't. I'm pretty sure you can also host your own relay nodes if you want to.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 8 months ago

    thanks a lot!

    Syncthing doesn’t only work on LAN, it can work through any network interface including Tailscale and yggdrasil, and has public relay nodes in case you don’t. I’m pretty sure you can also host your own relay nodes if you want to.

    didn't know this, thank you!

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Monero - private, permissionless, decentralized, p2p, digital cash system.

    Reticulum - cryptography-based networking stack designed to build secure, decentralized, and resilient local or wide-area networks using readily available hardware. It operates independently of traditional internet protocols (like IP), enabling communication under adverse conditions such as high latency and extremely low bandwidth with:

    • Forced e2e encryption and forward secrecy
    • Initiator anonymity
    • Multi-hop and self-configuring routing
    • Heterogenous network support
    • Decentralized addressing

    Basically internet 2.0

    Arweave - private, permissionless, decentralized, p2p, permanent data storage/server.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    gnu jami

    It seems great, but it seems to have fewer features than Briar and Session Messenger.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    well briar does not have calling on desktop (in stable yet at least), also jami can do video and screen share

    that's good to know.

    what most p2p chats lack is users.

    Exactly. In order to attract more users to Jami, I really think the user interface should be improved.

    session is not p2p.

    you are right, Session is not purely peer-to-peer.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 8 months ago

    I’ve never understood why a messaging app would require blockchain to function. Storing all text and images on the blockchain seems redundant—especially when end-to-end encryption is already in place. With E2EE, no one can modify your messages without access to your private key.

    It’s a shame they broke Perfect forward secrecy. To me, this is a very important feature to have in any E2EE system.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)
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    Have Session added forward secrecy back in yet? If not then it's not all that secure imo.

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