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Zelensky won't announce elections on war anniversary amid talks of US-driven timeline (kyivindependent.com)
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As of now, President Volodymyr Zelensky does not plan to announce presidential elections or a referendum on a possible peace deal with Russia on Feb. 24, a source in the President's Office familiar with the matter told the Kyiv Independent on Feb. 11.

The comment came after the Financial Times reported that Kyiv was preparing to hold both votes this spring and that Zelensky could unveil the plan on the fourth anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion.

"He wasn't planning to," the source said when asked whether the president would make such an announcement on Feb. 24. "When there's no security, there's nothing else."

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[–] 49 points 9 months ago

Reminder their constitution doesn't allow elections during war, for good reason - how tf are you supposed to vote when you're being bombed?

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    [–] 19 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    "Zelensky won't break the law."

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    • [–] [S] 8 points 9 months ago

    Note that some days ago FT published an article titled " Zelenskyy planning elections in Ukraine and vote on peace deal".

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    [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    Which timeline is this... 24 hours after Trump gets elected? Or the too weak two weeks when Trump was supposed to get Putin to agree to a ceasefire? US needs to get its house in order.

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    [–] -1 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Hold the line, Zelenskiy!!

    TRUMP IS GOING TO "KNIFE" YOU IN THE BACK, SHORTLY, WITH PUTIN.

    Hold the line!!

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    • [+] -42 points 9 months ago (20 children)

    Love a permanent state of exception.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    It's called being invaded and by definition, yea, it's kind of exceptional.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    User tags are great for knowing who to ignore.

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  • [+] -14 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    It's called dictatorship

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Fun fact: the original meaning of a dictatorship was precisely the case where the Romans extraordinarily appointed someone to have full authority to resolve a specific problem, such as when a serious threat the the state was present.

    The Ukrainian constitution says no elections while war. Zelensky does not hold any dictatorial authority beyond the one given to him by the Ukrainian people and laws when he was elected.

    If you are going to be mad at someone for straining Ukrainian democracy, be mad at the country invading it, and thus triggering the suspension of elections.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Romans extraordinarily appointed someone to have full authority to resolve a specific problem, such as when a serious threat the the state was present.

    And how'd that work out?

    The Ukrainian constitution says no elections while war.

    While in a state of martial law. A constitution re-written as recently as 2015, the year following Ukrainian Oligarch Petro Poroshenko's ascension to power.

    You're witnessing the end stages of the collapse of democracy in the country under a set of rules authorized barely a decade ago.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    And how’d that work out?

    Given that the Roman Republic lasted for something like 480 years (509 – 27 BC) ? Pretty damn well thank you very much, that's a longer lifespan that any of our current republics (minus San Marino I guess).

    While in a state of martial law. A constitution re-written as recently as 2015, the year following Ukrainian Oligarch Petro Poroshenko’s ascension to power. You’re witnessing the end stages of the collapse of democracy in the country under a set of rules authorized barely a decade ago.

    Why is martial law currently in effect buddy? Can you think of anything that would guarantee the immediate revocation of martial law? Anything? Any ideas?

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    Given that the Roman Republic lasted for something like 480 years

    Half a millennia of near endless military conquests and civil wars. What's not to love?

    Why is martial law currently in effect buddy?

    Because your liberal reformists consolidated enormous powers in the executive branch. Again.

    You keep giving governments the ability to end elections and entrench themselves indefinitely. That's exactly what it will do, every time.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Half a millennia of near endless military conquests and civil wars. What’s not to love?

    You changed the subject.

    Because your liberal reformists consolidated enormous powers in the executive branch. Again. You keep giving governments the ability to end elections and entrench themselves indefinitely. That’s exactly what it will do, every time.

    What a ridiculous thing to write in the context of this discussion. Martial law was not enacted via self-coup. The Ukrainian executive did not wake up one nice morning, realize it had some kewl powers and thought let's enact martial law so that we can entrench ourselves. It was enacted when a foreign power invaded. It will be revoked the moment Russian soldiers return the fuck back to Russia.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Martial law was not enacted via self-coup.

    Martial Law was written into the Constitution by a billionaire Oligarch and his corrupt friends, specifically so he could leverage the fighting in the Donbas to secure his position indefinitely.

    The Ukrainian executive did not wake up one nice morning, realize it had some kewl powers and thought let’s enact martial law

    He needed an excuse to consolidate power, just like every other successful dictator.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, let’s give Russia a chance to steal the election.

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  • [+] -17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    "They're going to steal the elections so we cancelled them" will be Trump's go-to in a couple of months.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Not even comparable.

    Ukraine's constitution doesn't allow elections during wartime. They are currently at war, fighting off enemy invaders who can pack up and leave anytime putin says so.

    The US constitution doesn't allow elections to be canceled, and never in US history, including times of war, have they been. The "threat" to US elections is also made up by those in power as a weak attempt to justify the actual threat to them, which are the ones making it up (accusations in a mirror).

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    [–] 18 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Well no shit. Any gathering of people is a prime target for russian drones and missiles. Not to mention most of the country doesn't even have electricity for 16+ hours a day.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    The UK also cancelled it's elections during WWII

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    During the war in Europe. Britain was still fighting Japan during the 1945 General Election.

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    • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    The country is suffering from loss of power due to ongoing shelling and Trump wants Ukraine to hold an election. The US can barely pull of a fair election and inform the majority in peace times, yet he wants a country in the middle of a war to elect a new president. If a war started in the US before he had to step down, he'd put elections on hold.

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