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[–] 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Is St. Paul more conservative than Minneapolis?

I assume ICE has operations in both cities, but you mostly only hear about the protests and pushback in Minneapolis.

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  • [–] [S] 36 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    They're wealthier and whiter on average so ICE probably isn't starting shit over there as often, but it's my understanding that tons of people from St Paul are going to Minneapolis on the regular to do mutual aid stuff

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    One of the many fundamental problems with ICE is that they seem to have little to no training.

    Police with no training should not be allowed to perform traffic stops or to arrest people. Or really to interact with the public at all.

    One of the ICE failings we've seen over and over is how they needlessly escalate situations. If you pull someone over and they flee, if you pursue them, you have to consider the danger to others. Sometimes you just have to let them go and figure out how to pick them up at a later time when it is less dangerous.

    Yes, it makes policing more complicated, but if police are escalating situations and making things more dangerous, that's an even larger problem.

    ICE has such a bad reputation now that I think people will flee at a much higher rate. Their lack of training is part of the reason they're causing this mess, and if they want to keep pulling people over, they're going to need massive amounts of training to learn to do it correctly. Even more than normal police because the situation today is what it is.

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The people who shot Good and Pretti each had over 8 years experience; iirc, one had 12 years on the job. That's not lack of training, that's deliberate institutional oppression, and it cannot be reformed.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Like I said, ICE has many fundamental problems.

    I don't disagree with your assessment, but experience is not the same as training, and there is also a continuing need for training, even for experienced people.

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