I really like this series & find it unique & interesting, though I do not have Apple + streaming service & It is not yet downloading in order & all the episodes to my ‘PLEX’ service, so all I have watched are FIRST-2-EPISODES, SO PLEASE NO SPOILERS/NOTHING ABOUT EPISODES PAST 2ND.

I tried to post a thread with what people thought of the show & this thread’s topic, but it was dominated by with exchanging replies on what the repliers thought of the show.

Even though one those repliers, MotoAsh, & I debated a long time about the alien microscopic Beings effect on The Living Planet’s & thus All Living Beings ability to survive, I love that MotoAsh expressed (even if his effect was wrong) so strong of concern for things that matter most to me- The Living Planet’s & thus All Living Beings.

See if you think this would have been a better story line to the series-

Our stupid need to explore space & need for Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes/Owners to make profits/wealths over everything else, while on Earth there are huge, sick & evil problems that gets push aside.

SPOILER, IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN FIRST-2-EPISODES, From ‘The Pluribus’ series- Microscopic Beings stowaway on spaceship back to Earth & they escape within a scientist, because she accidentally injects herself with some of them.

The microscopic Beings are of two-make-ups, one is like ‘The Pluribus’ series where they are all of one-minds & no room for individuality & the other make-up is all are individuals & no room for shared existence, no matter how many bodies they both take over. Both are the problems, The not infected/controlled people are individualistic, unlike ‘The Pluribus’ series microscopic Beings, but they can also come together to act as one, not just because they can share one-mind, like the microscopic Beings, more importantly, over time they learn they can respect, understand & Etc. work together for the betterment of the species & for the species survival. Thanks to appreciating their shared experiences, from the good & bad happening all around them. Thus they can do what both (I guess that is the best scientific term to use) families of species of The Microscopic Beings can do, at will though, switching back & forth. Sure I like how the members of our species that cannot yet be turned are far from healthy members of our species. Like the main character is a alcoholic.

People have asked why, so I will put it here for all to read,

I am tired of the individualistic BLANK in our entertainment, when really if honestly look at our country, let alone most countries (especially Capitalist & Caucasian dominated countries), individualism is the problem & is manipulated by The Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes/Owners for their benefits.

Look at The Canada & Scandinavian Countries, where just being respectful, understanding & Etc. working together for the betterment of their lives, thanks to appreciating their shared experiences, from the good & bad happening all around them. Result better countries & people living in them. Thought of adding this now, they are of course not perfect, nothing is perfect, even the best country- Denmark is not perfect. Of course I agree the people, in the above, are almost entirely Caucasian & thus that are not & already there are treated a lot worse (like Canada’s Indigenous peoples) & those non-Caucasian people trying to get in have go through tons of Capitalist dominated EU countries that try make as hard as possible to get through.

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[–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

Why did you make another post on this?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    For everyone questioning if I watched the correct 'Pluribus' Or saying I should rewatch the 2-episodes (then I had only watched), because I had key elements of the 1st episode wrong...

    ...1st. FINALLY, my friend was able to get 'Pluribus' episodes 1st-6th on his 'PLEX', we share our 'PLEX's (SP?), (PRIME quickly removed the first episode from free to watch, cannot afford subscription),

    2nd. After rewatching 1st episode, you were right. Thank you, for bringing it to my attention.

    3rd. I will stick with everything else I have posted, especially >>>>>I am tired of the individualistic BLANK in our entertainment, when really if honestly look at our country, let alone most countries (especially Capitalist & Caucasian dominated countries), individualism is the problem & is manipulated by The Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes/Owners for their benefits.

    Look at The Canada & Scandinavian Countries, where just being respectful, understanding & Etc. working together for the betterment of their lives, thanks to appreciating their shared experiences, from the good & bad happening all around them. Result better countries & people living in them. Thought of adding this now, they are of course not perfect, nothing is perfect, even the best country- Denmark is not perfect. Of course I agree the people, in the above, are almost entirely Caucasian & thus that are not Caucasian & already there are treated a lot worse (like Canada’s Indigenous peoples) & those non-Caucasian people trying to get in have go through tons of Capitalist dominated EU countries that try make as hard as possible to get through.<<<<<

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    [–] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    So it's difficult to discuss this show as you've only seen the first two episodes and I've watched all nine episodes twice.

    However even from the first two episodes, I'm not sure you and I watched the same show.

    I think it's fine to wish for a show to be something, but you can't fault a show for not being something it never tried to be. You can't watch Shakespeare and complain that it lacked a big car chase scene.

    I think you've picked up on some of the themes of Pluribus, but you haven't caught them all, and you may be wrong about others.

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  • THE WHOLE 9-episodes twice! WOW! How?

    Thanks for not spoiling,

    I think it’s fine to wish for a show to be something, but you can’t fault a show for not being something it never tried to be.

    It is not coincidence that there are shows that start-out the way I would have preferred, The Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes/Owners do not okay their studios to make those shows. & that influences the shows they get pitched,

    You can’t watch Shakespeare and complain that it lacked a big car chase scene.

    Come man, that is a terrible analogy to what the series is to what I would preferred it to be. Shakespeare’s time knew nothing our automobiles, let their big chase scenes.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I really enjoyed the show and look forward to more. There’s a lot going on in terms of metaphor use, with Vince Gilligan’s somewhat dry humor.

    I just torrented the whole series since I’m also not subbed to Apple at the moment.

    Got me to finally go back to watch Better Call Saul which I just finished recently! And now I’m back onto Breaking Bad for the second time.

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  • There’s a lot going on in terms of metaphor use, with Vince Gilligan’s somewhat dry humor.

    What are those?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I forget everything at this point but there’s the stuff like how isolating the automated world can be, there’s the weird AI chat bot angle. And the main plot elements like how it’s a little alien, a little virus.

    Maybe those are the main ones, but it’s interesting the different little elements of those they can mix into the main actual premise.

    And Vince Gilligan’s dry humor seems to come from often come from living in those awkward silent moments. Both the ones between characters and others like just waiting to watch something play out expectedly or unexpectedly.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Amazing series.

    Your take is weird.

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  • Who take? Mine?

    If it is me, just remember I love the series, because it is so interesting & different.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah sorry, that was a shitty thing to say.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    It's been a long time since a show has captured my imagination like this.

    The other day I had nothing to do at work in the office, so I just opened notepad and started typing out Pluribus ideas.

    spoilerWhat would I ask the Hive for?

    How would I solve their food problem?

    What could the cure be, how would I prevent them from conversion me, etc etc.

    It's a great show that can do that.

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  • I am glad, like you the show captured your imagination, but come-on man,

    FIRST-2-EPISODES, SO PLEASE NOTHING ABOUT EPISODES PAST 2ND.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Apologies, i promise they aren't big spoilers though and are just natural extensions of what you already know

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Your post confused me a bit so I want to clarify: you're proposing an alternate path for Pluribus, where instead of one strain of the Joining virus there are two; one strain is the classic "no room for individualism" as we see in the show, and the other gives room for individualism but also creates a shared pool of knowledge between the "infected"? And there are still those who can't be "joined" by either virus strain/version?

    Do I have that right?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    What asinine decisions do the Hive make?

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    So far as I've seen you're purely focusing on them being reckless with the plane as contradicting their ethos.

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    I just don't think the plane thing is that deep here. I think the writers just used it to illustrate that anyone can fly planes now so they use some teen girl for that.

    So I'm asking for other examples.

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    That’s the problem! I do not know how you fail to realize this, but that’s the damn problem!

    Because I don't think it's that important. When it comes to little oversights like that I can just view it as if a couple of other people were also in the cockpit (in this instance) and nothing changes.

    If the entire motivation of the species is to minimize waste and impact down to a single human, using anything close to such a plane is absolute insanity. That’s still ignoring the logistics that such a plane is LITERALLY DESIGNED TO BE FLOWN BY MORE THAN ONE PERSON.

    They've shown repeatedly they'll be very wasteful for the survivors wishes. Given that there's only 12, on a planet scale, it's non-existent.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Dude, stop being ridiculous. I didn't block you.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Jesus, so you're Skavau. Did this dude seriously just edit every single comment they made under this post just to mess with you?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (32 children)

    When you are dealing with advanced & outside our notions of what aliens are & what can be done, then anything can just about be done. Look at ‘Star Trek’ universe’s Original Series, ‘The Next Generation’ & ‘The Animated Series’ for example,

    Who is Vince?

    I do not know what TL;DR means?

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    Makes sense to me with the limitation of how much one human brain can process at once. The only flaw that bothered me is sending any signal from a brain in the first place which should have also been limited at least by range and latency.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 9 months ago (23 children)

    I get more from this reply what mean. I do not see them not having the professional skills? What does the professional behaviors matter, they are not the skills to do the professional things, like they ober & over again flying jets & helicopters.

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    I think this is a very small grievance. I don't recall if that girl was the only person in the cockpit at the time, but you can just imagine there were two other hived there if you want to.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (10 children)

    Im going to coach this in vague language to avoid spoilers.

    The key I think you missed in that sequence is that no one person is important. That person is introduced doing "menial" tasks while filthy. They are pointing out that individual comfort is nigh pointless, as each of the hosts is just part of something larger. The human needs once youre joined are minimized on an individual level, or at least, met in a different way.

    That host was selected for a reason, but even if they did die and crash one of tens of thousands of planes they dont really need, they could send another, very similiar host to complete that goal. The "whole" considered her flying alone to be safe enough, or at least irrevelvant enough if it caused an issue, and they were ultimately correct. She arrived unharmed, promptly. With how the "whole" views the "unjoined," using a large plane to assist her is likely seen as the best possible use of resources. Later episodes comfirm this viewpoint.

    In the end, that single host flying a large plane alone just to arrive somewhere quickly seems insane to us, but fits the "wholes" personality to a tee.

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    It didnt actually require multiple people in the show, but that could just be creative license. Im not a pilot, but I bet that plane "should for safety and efficency be flown by multiple people," but I doubt it literally requires 3+ people to be operating it to fly. Its not like it needs 3+ people to push levers and turns the wheel at the same time to work, its just reckless to not have redundancies.

    That recklessness is the point. Again, being hazy for spoiler reasons, but that host is both very important and not important at all. She is the literally best person on earth for the role she is about to play, but is also disposable. In the total billions of people on earth, thousands of others could do what she does if they need to, but at that moment, she is the "best," so she has the maximuim resources to succeed. That includes a moterbike, a plane, hair and makeup staff, resort showers, vehicles at the destination/etc. She is about to interact with what the "whole" think is someone very important.

    As to the "why dont they murder the unjoined," i think we are stepping into spoilers here, but ill say vaguely that they are literally aliens. Humans might kill those unjoined and be done with it, but they arent us. That question is a core part of the show. The "who, the what, the why" of them, and what it means for the remaining humans, is the show. How do the humans and aliens react to each other is literally the point.

    The showrunners have really straddled the surreal nature of the aliens and their interaction with the remains of our civilization. Its very, very strange how they act, but makes a lot of sense when the show explains what they value. I think showing that "weirdness" is done very well, as it lends one to wonder what is truly valuable in an "alien" mind, and in, contrast, why we value what we do. Thats an interesting topic they do credit to.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Well, clearly the writers dont know much about flying a cargo plane, or just used her flying it filthy, alone and serene as a way to make a bigger point about how the aliens value their lives, and in contrast, human lives. I expect it was more the latter than the former, but either may be true.

    I can tell you as a person who does not fly cargo planes, that their point about "alienness" came across very well in that shot. Its unfortunate that it did not for you, but I expect it did translate for those outsite of your profession.

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    I'm going into some spoilers here OP, so please avoid if you like.

    The "whole" value human lives above all else, but they are no longer human. They are a gestalt consiousness that is alien at its core. They combined carry the shared human experience, and as such, do not mourn any individual death of their hosts. The knowledge and "soul" of the joined is shared across them all. That makes any hosts individual deaths irrelevant to them. That person "lives" on in the gesalt mind.

    Because the unjoined are outside of this, they do not have their minds safely shared, so the alien consiousness, who values life above all else, finds losing them to be utterly unacceptable. It finds losing any life unacceptable, but has a specific fondness for humans that are not "safely" joined.

    The aliens will do anything in its power to aid the humans until they can join with it, to share with them. The showrunners go to pains to show they mean "anything" in a very literal way. Any resource the unjoined want is theirs, at a whim.

    In this way, the show makes perfect sense. The aliens have an alien perspective because they are no longer human as we understand it. The humans are still "us," but they are confronted by an insane world where the threat isnt physical harm, but an unravelling of what it means to be human. How the humans grapple with this new world, with a pervasive alien mind that wants to both aid them and destroy them, and what that says about humanity, is the show.

    You fixating on technical inaccuracies during an early 5 minute shot to dismiss the show is maybe understandable given your job, but its very much missing the forest for the trees. That shot, technically wrong as it may have been, carried some very heavy subtext that echoed through the whole season about what the aliens are, and what they value. In that, it was done very well.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If the entity truly connected all human minds, it would be of no significant consequence to murder the handful of people that didn't 'connect'. Period. Ever. Humanity has proven that a handful of deaths is nothing in the face of progress.

    Why should that change now that everyone is connected?

    Because they value life and are extremely empathetic beings. If your priority is preserving life in all its form, if you are driven to sharing what you experience with the rest of existence, then murder is no solution. Do they want progress? Sure: they are still highly curious beings after the joining, but not at the expense of another life, regardless of how easy or convenient it might appear to be from a "rational" standpoint.

    And as for the plane, could it not be seen as arrogance symptomatic of the joining? I mean sure, those things you mentioned could happen – heart attack, complications – but the collective is so confident in its knowledge and ability that it doesn't think the likelihood of complications ensuing is high enough to crew the plane with more than one person.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 9 months ago* (7 children)

    It sounds like you have a very large dearth of knowledge as to what constitutes ‘professional’ behavior

    I agree with you, no single person can know the professional behaviors/skills needed for many professions let alone all professions.

    Flying a large plane with one person that is designed to require at least three people to even function is a HUGE lapse of judgement.

    I think these large planes can be flown by one-person, but I will let be right on that, I do not know as professional whether you are right. You know something you are not taking in consideration for this whole reply’s complaints, is there are what 1-billion people dead by 2nd-episode, & it is increasing in the future episodes as they find more dead. All but what 12-people are under control of all microscopic Beings. There are few planes flying; look at how empty the airports & skies are.

    Then about the killing The Living Earth practices of transporting only one-person, & other such practices, I was right there with you, but then the obvious answers smacks you in the face. The negatives on our planet’s health & thus all Living Beings have nearly drop to nothing, with fewer population & few transportation.
    Plus, the infected person overseeing to the main character’s pleasure, needs & safety, told another un-infected male character that they cannot feed him any Beings’ meat, because they cannot harm Living Beings, thus they only can make Vegan foods. I love that, as a Vegan.

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    Let me tell you, there are MANY people amongst 5 billion people who know how to fly that plane… If there wasn’t a large pool of knowlege to pull from, why try it solo!?

    I was talking about myself, not the series infected people-

    It sounds like you have a very large dearth of knowledge as to what constitutes ‘professional’ behavior

    I agree with you, no single person can know the professional behaviors/skills needed for many professions let alone all professions.

    With that being said, actually, we are well past 5-billion, right now, even with the 1-billion & increasing death toll, try 8-billion people during the 2nd episode.

    If these “beings” (which were specifically NOT described in the opening dialog with the main character. At all.) were so interested in not harming anyone, flying a smaller plane was an OBVIOUS avenue to reduce the harm.

    There is no harm to that when there are way, way & way less planes taking off, & that is just planes. Even hitting flying birds drastically drops, maybe to zero.
    What do you think all people concerned about environmental damage done right now, IRW, wish would happen?
    Come man think,

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)
  • I done trying to get you to understand it, it is hopeless.

    The Livable Earth & All Living Beings are the most thing in my life,

    i did not create this thread to verbally fight with other members, so I am letting it go.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    Not a single person, but what I think is 12-people.

    I think it is wrong that suddenly I cannot reply to your last reply. You need to the last word. Proof is in you already said, what was in the your last reply, in your reply before, the last reply.

    What you said it last reply, I do not disagree with it.

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  • I understand what half our sentence is communicating, for previous stated reasons I am good with it. But the second part of sentence I you were trying to say, they say that since each infected body shares the whole minds of the whole that are infected, any infected body can do what anyother inefected body can do. Again for previous stated reasons I am good with it.

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    [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I think you need to go back and rewatch those episodes. There are no kidnapped microscopic beings.

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