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Millions of new Operating Systems shall be born (lemmy.today)
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[–] 23 points 9 months ago (3 children)

One of these things is not like the other. Claude Code cannot exist outside of user space.

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  • [+] [S] -10 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Since its using linux underneath I feel like you could bundle Claude Code into some unikernel then expose the input/output through some other means. but yeah this is just a shitpost

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    • [–] 41 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Claude Code is an LLM, people ain't gonna be building jack shit with that and anything they do manage to build will just be unlicensed copy-pastes of other builds.

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  • [+] [S] -31 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    ? Half of google is being powered by this I think saying jack shit is a bit of an understatement (Though its definitely not AGI or anything lmao)

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    • [–] 12 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    There's a running joke between my friends about locking one of us in a room with a minimal Linux & C89 compiler: "okay now rebuild the world from scratch"

    This feels like that but stupid.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Lol imagine you walk into an interview, they lock the door and hand you just linux + C compiler.

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    • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If I can just interject, I'm posting from Claude/HURD right now, that's right we finished it

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    • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    Apt search kde

    Install whatever the correct option for plasma is.

    Such challenge much difficult

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 9 months ago* (14 children)

    how does apt work when glibc does not work?

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    How does Claude work with nothing?

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    If you want to think about the implementation I guess you could bundle it into the kernel then expose some input/output? https://lemmy.today/comment/21990242

    Where do we install apt in the first place if no software is on it, I guess if it was just raw linux you would just implement wget or curl then download whatever you wanted

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    n I guess you could bundle it into the kernel

    how do you think that works, if the kernel doesn't even have ls ?

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    it would be unikernel so your essentially statically linking a binary to the the linux kernel image, so it all be running in kernelspace. You would have to statically link libc and other dependencies likely (i rem red hat patching glibc for this to work but not sure what they changed?).

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    how are you this savvy with the underpinnings of the OS, but this naive about this kind of scenario and use of AI in this context?

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    My job involves doing performance optimizations for billion dollar tech companies so its kind of my job to know lol.

    People already have vibe coded Operating Systems, are they well made? no, I don't think TempleOS is some enterprise grade codebase ether but its cool that he got to make his own OS. Would be cool for anyone to be able to do that.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    You understand the irony of a claude code LLM as a unikernel if your background is perf op for an OS right?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    This breaks the prime directive of Linux. "Don't break userspace"

    If you're working on the linux kernel everything you build drops once init/systemd launches.

    https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/235335/why-is-there-a-linux-kernel-policy-to-never-break-user-space#235532

    Claude Code is an LLM that relies on multiple libraries not just glibc. What you're proposing breaks the basic tenets of the Linux Kernel.

    I think you'd probably be better served packaging this as a RISC V OS instead as binaries do run in the kernel there.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Well the meme says to add some new layer over syscalls so the plan is already to break userspace entirely to force you to make a new one. But yeah if you wanted to make it irl bundling another kernel would likely be easier then Linux unless you wanted the hw support.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Look, honestly this has merit. Not for Claude Code, that's insane. But there are a lot of Risc V capable NPUs that could use a smaller model for internal locally sourced workflows. I'm thinking like a read only RAG paired with a tiny GLM 4.7 trimmed down to fit on a SpacemiT Key Stone K3.

    I'll reference you on Codeberg.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Yup, here's a good read if you get the chance. https://riscv.org/blog/risc-v-upstreaming/

    Also if you'd like to start in the middle this is interesting as well https://www.sifive.com/blog/all-aboard-part-7-entering-and-exiting-the-linux-kernel-on-risc-v

    Also RUST is a lot easier to implement on RISC-V hardware, and I would suggest it as it's more memory safe on most hardware, especially since often a user can get to Ring 0 with little trouble

    https://github.com/xiaoyang-sde/rust-kernel-riscv

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    • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    and without internet access

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