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Zelensky’s Government Sabotaged Oversight, Allowing Corruption to Fester (www.nytimes.com)
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[–] 25 points 11 months ago (1 child)

The NYT is compromised. This is some Fox News level “reporting.”

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    [–] 17 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    You can observe the discarding of a US proxy progress like an infection by watching stories about Ukranian government corruption slowly make their way up the bloodstream of public "opinion", from small papers up to the new york crimes.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 11 months ago

    The funniest part is how this was widely reported in mainstream western media before the war started. Now that the US wants to wind the war down, all of a sudden omertà on reporting these things is lifted.

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    • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Another report from the Russian troll farm!

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    • [+] -6 points 11 months ago (17 children)

    I don’t know man. This crap gives such ammunition to the “both sides are corrupt” argument. 

    Do we really believe things in Ukraine would be better or even the same under Putin? What are we even talking about here?

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 11 months ago (16 children)

    I mean we can obviously see that things are far better in Crimea than anywhere in Ukraine right now. This isn't even debatable. Comparing Russia to the absurd levels of corruption in Ukraine is not a serious argument to make.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    Russia has been extremely corrupt for decades. Whatever weird made up world you are living in, come on back to reality. Even if Ukraine was the most corrupt country ever, bombing the shit out of the citizens is not the way you help. That's just murder. Even if things are somehow better in Crimea, you're comparing to a country being bombed by a larger country with more weapons and fighters. Crimea should not have been stolen in the first place. Help your neighbors, don't hypocritically murder their people.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    Even if Ukraine was the most corrupt country ever, bombing the shit out of the citizens is not the way you help

    I don't know, they sure tried it in the eastern part of the country for 10 years

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    Russia is clearly nowhere near as corrupt as Ukraine given that Russia is actually able to run a functioning economy and a military. In fact, there's strong evidence to suggest that NATO is far more corrupt than Russia is given that Russia is single handedly outproducing all of the west militarily right now. Meanwhile, before yapping about Crimea, you might want to go read a history book for once in your life.

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  • [+] -7 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    I know the history, that doesnt excuse invading them at this point. Neither is what one.corrupt country sees as corrupt in another. Your arguments hold no weight. Nothing you said justifies murdering people in a neighboring country.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Nothing justifies Ukraine murdering its own people in its own country for the eight years before this war started.

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Sorry can you point out the exact points in those that justify the murdering a bombing of people in a foreign nation? 2014 especially was a pretty messed up time, by I'm not sure I follow you as to what justification for murdering and bombing them is. Especially with new leadership. Please explain the murdering a bombing.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    NATO expansion:

     
    NATO in general:

    Especially with new leadership.

    Zelensky was a comedian groomed by oligarchs. He played a president on TV and then ran for president on TV. This was planned out in advance. Zelensky has never been in control because he was an actor in way over his head, beholden to US comprador oligarchs, and his life is openly threatened by high-level Banderite fascists should he get out of line. And he’s quite wealthy now, an oligarch in his own right. He’s in no way a “servant of the people;” that’s an act played by an actor.

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  • [+] -6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    So Russia being as large and Powerful as they supposedly are can't perform diplomacy and has to murder and bomb people? I'm still not hearing any reason that Russia should be murdering people.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Russia has been attempting to perform diplomacy with the west since before 2014. That's what Minsk agreements, which the west now admitted were meant to buy time to arm their regime in Ukraine, were supposed to be all about. Funny how you conveniently forgot about that.

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    And instead of continued diplomacy, they chose murder. Got it.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 11 months ago

    Again, weird framing given that murder was started by Ukraine in Donbas. But I guess when facts don't fit with your narrative, you just ignore them. Quite telling that this is what you support.

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    • [+] -9 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    Ukraine has had corruption issues for a long time. NATO countries should stop pussy footing around and go in and help them. Route the corruption and fight Russia. I can't imagine trying to fix the corruption that's been embedded in your country for decades and then suddenly Russia is invading you. Now you need to try to route out corruption and fight a larger enemy? I really feel for the Ukrainian people, it's been rough for a long time and just gets worse. Time to just wipe Russia off the map already, split the country up and give the land to the other surrounding nations.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    Oh, is that all? Just 'route the corruption' and then casually 'split up' world's biggest nuclear power? Totally won’t end in global glassing. It’s amazing how you solved a complex geopolitical crisis with the logic of a toddler smashing LEGOs.

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  • [+] -7 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    No not "just" at all. It would take decades on both fronts. Your argument might make sense if you didn't pervert mine by putting words in my mouth.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    It's clearly taken far lass than a decade for NATO to start coming apart, and it didn't even fight Russia directly yet. So maybe come down there baby Hitler.

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Yes NATO started coming apart because a corrupt leader came into power in the US. However that still doesn't mean that Russia should be invading and killing people in a foreign nation. Stop supporting murder.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    NATO started coming apart because NATO lost its proxy war against Russia, and the US is now throwing Europe under the bus while retrenching. It's an incredibly infantile world view to think that all this is a result of a single individual making decision unilaterally. Weird how fash like you didn't say a peep when the western installed regime in Ukraine has been killing people in Donbas for the past eight years. Stop pretending like you have some moral high ground.

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    You are supporting the death of innocent people instead of alterior methods. You can call people that prefer peace fascist all you want, but you are the bad guy here.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    No, I don't support fascists murdering people in Donbas. That's what you support, that's what makes you a fascist.

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    So you think because I don't support Russia murdering people I support other people being killed? That's a pretty ridiculous statement. Also you should probably look back at what was happening there because your memory of the situation seems extremely skewed.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    So you think because I don’t support Ukraine murdering people I support other people being killed? hat’s a pretty ridiculous statement. Also you should probably look back at what was happening there because your memory of the situation seems extremely skewed. Other people have already provided sources you could read instead of making a clown of yourself in public.

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You didnt quote correctly. You are the clown. You are supporting murder of innocent civilians. It's a good thing you don't get to make any decisions. Are you Mr Hegseth by chance? Seem to love killing innocent people with weak justification.

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago

    Pretty sure Hitler's plan was not split Russia up and give it to neighboring countries. But whatever you need to tell yourself to make you feel better about supporting a country that is murdering its neighbors. Putin would be the Hitler in this scenario. Taking over other countries and killing their people.

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