Kyiv has been offered a “Kremlin peace plan” under the guise of negotiations. The US and Russia have reportedly prepared a peace plan for Ukraine that would involve Kyiv meeting the Kremlin’s maximalist demands, says Christopher Miller, a correspondent for the Financial Times.

At the same time, Reuters sources report that the US indicated to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy that Kyiv should accept Washington-prepared frameworks for ending the war with Russia. It remains unclear what security guarantees would be given for Kyiv, as there is no evidence that the Kremlin has abandoned its imperial ambitions.

Earlier, Axios wrote that Washington and Moscow were discussing a new peace plan to end Russia’s war against Ukraine.

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[–] 196 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Fundamentally unserious "just admit defeat" type of offering. The real signal is that the US is still a painfully unreliable ally.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    And yet, for being so painfully unreliable, especially with the ruling parties flip-flopping back and forth so much, USA aid is still sought after. 🙄

    I imagine as Zelensky has said so many times before, Ukraine won't cede shit. Hopefully, he tells them both to go kick rocks.

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    [–] 82 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It is said to have been inspired by the Trump administration’s efforts to broker a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.

    That explains a lot. Basically "reward the aggressor" and "prevent any possibility for future armed resistance"

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  • [–] 71 points 11 months ago

    Zelenskyy better say thank you!

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  • [–] 68 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    So basically, allow the invaders to invade your country without resistance?

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    And then wait for them to do it again in about 10 years to grab for even more. It's not a peace plan, it's surrender.

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  • [–] 55 points 11 months ago

    Putin just keeps grabbing us by the Trump.

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  • [–] 62 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    "You can have peace. Just surrender to our rule!"

    Reminder that bullying exists from the school yard all the way to international politics.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    When will someone explain to Donald that Russia only respects power. Always has always will.

    Slap them hard enough and often enough and THEN negotiate.

    Maybe a tomahawk to one of Putins personal villas?

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago

    Trump admires this. He doesnt see Putin as an enemy, but an inspiration. Same reason MBS was welcomed the way he was at the White House, while people like Zelenskyy are mocked and scolded when they arrive.

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  • [–] 32 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Stupid title made it sound like Ukraine made the offer.

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  • [–] 41 points 11 months ago (38 children)

    I for one prefer full scale war than this.

    SLAVA UKRAINI!

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  • [+] -37 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    Let me guess, you aren't personally at risk of being kidnapped off the street and sent to the front lines as drone fodder.

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  • [–] 36 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    I apologize, but I currently have no time to indulge in futile discussions with .ml russian bots.

    Try with someone else, thanks.

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  • [+] -21 points 11 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Other people are already going to war and more will until we don't delete fascists from the planet.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Those other people are risking their lives because they were invaded by a foreign country.

    Also I'm completely useless to them since I have never used a weapon.

    Still, I would gladly go to war with all EU if needed, against Russia or whoever, just so the future generations can sit on their computers while dealing with online idiots like yourself.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I see you (obviously) skipped the part where I said that I'm completely useless.

    Classic.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    Yes and yes (although I haven't encouraged anyone).

    It's funny how you all always scream for people dying on Ukraine's side, but don't even mention that on the other side the situation is even worse since no one there is fighting for their home or to protect their families and loved ones.

    Makes me wonder if you are just ignorant, brainwashed or acting in bad faith.

    Are you telling me that if your county was invaded you would just roll over and hope to not get hurt?

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Sadly what i said isn't "Ukrainians have to fight" in my first comment.

    I said the EU should go to war.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    What part of "full scale war" isn't clear to you?

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I see, so when you are blatantly wrong we stop arguing. Got it.

    Then what is your point about the EU? Read again my first comment and tell me how is it relevant in any way.

    Ending hunger, war, poverty, diseases etc... are all extremely unlikely too, yet I see no reason I shouldn't prefer it to what we have today.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    I for one prefer full scale war than this.

    There is no mention of Ukrainians, let alone any "encouragement" to do anything.

    The article itself doesn't mention Ukrainians, but third parties pushing for a "peace" that is actually full submission to Russia.

    I state, as a European, that I would prefer the risk of having my own country and the whole EU in the war, than forcing Ukraine to surrender to its invader.

    These are my words explained as clearly as I can, so you can understand them better and stop twisting them more than you already did.

    And to your false and hypocritical care about the lost lives, present and future, of the people of Ukraine I answer with a word and a quote:

    Crimea.

    Insanity is repeating the same mistakes over and over again and expecting different results.

    Now that you have been proven blatantly wrong I guess that the discussion is over.

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  • [+] -54 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (23 children)

    You know you can go enlist, right?

    I think what you meant to say was,

    I for one prefer Ukrainians continue throwing themselves in the grinder

    Despite the fact that,

    More than three years into the war, Ukrainians’ support for continuing to fight until victory has hit a new low. In Gallup’s most recent poll of Ukraine — conducted in early July — 69% say they favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, compared with 24% who support continuing to fight until victory.

    This marks a nearly complete reversal from public opinion in 2022, when 73% favored Ukraine fighting until victory and 22% preferred that Ukraine seek a negotiated end as soon as possible.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx

    Edit: grammar

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    These polls are so bad. It's like asking "would you like peace?". Ukranians know perfectly well what would happen to them and their relatives if they lost the war. Fighting a war SUCKS but it was not their choice to go to war. It was not their choice to get terror-bombed every single night.

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  • [+] -14 points 11 months ago

    It's like asking "would you like peace?

    It's actually not like that at all. It's actually pretty simple:

    Which of the following statements about the war with Russia comes closest to your personal views?

    Ukraine should continue fighting until it wins the war

    Ukraine should seek to negotiate an ending to the war as soon as possible

    Don't know/Refused

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    You know you are free to go join the Russian army and go kill innocent families and kidnap children for Russia's war if you are so enthusiastic about sucking Putin's dick right?

    Maybe you can cede your home and all your possessions to Putin? You realize that is what you are defending right?

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  • [+] -9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe you can cede your home and all your possessions to Putin? You realize that is what you are defending right?

    Nope, it's actually a simple question:

    Do you think the Ukrainian common people should be the primary agents in determining whether or not to continue combat?

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    No shit people don't wanna die in a war.

    The alternative is fascists rule the world. It sucks but the shittiest people in the world have the most power in the world.

    That only changes if people fight which is why it is important that the world stand with Ukraine against Putin and the fascists of this world.

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  • [+] -10 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    That only changes if people fight which is why it is important that the world stand with Ukraine against Putin and the fascists of this world.

    And there's the rub. You can't just stick your fingers in your ears when Ukrainians are aiming to end combat and pursue negotiations, and then turn around and say you are "standing with Ukraine".

    Put simply: to stand with Ukraine means to affirm the hopes and agency of common Ukrainians - which is definitively not what you're doing.

    Consider this thought experiment:

    In 5 years, supposing the grueling combat has continued, and 95% of Ukrainians definitively and undoubtedly wish to end combat, is it really "standing with Ukraine" if you reject this number and insist they continue to fight to "save the world from fascism" while you yourself have not enlisted?

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    Oh look, another .ml bot, how unsurprising.

    See my answer to your comrade. Bye.

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    No he does not. You need well formulated questions if you want good answers in a poll. If you asked "would you prefer we give up fortified front line territory and forcibly halved our army in exchange for ceasefire?" you would not get that percentage.

    They are sick and tired of this war, no question about that. But this war is existential. Russia does not acknowledge Ukrainian as a real language and culture. Everyone knows Russia would attack again. Ukraine has no choice but to defend themselves.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I don't see the usefulness of responding to bots.

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  • [+] -25 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    What is it with yall refusing to believe any opposing viewpoints are organic?

    Those 69% of Ukranians who want to end the war via negotiation - are they Russian bots as well?

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The fact that they want the war to end doesn't mean they want to surrender.

    Your cherry picked data means nothing, like your opinion.

    I know... I know... It's hard to hear but try not to cry if you can...

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    how much they pay you comrade? or is it more like "if you post our propaganda we'll give you a new rug to hang on your wall and more vodka to feed you and your families wet brains. Also here's a new adidas track suit so you can go squat in."

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    I can hear Zelenskyy laughing from here

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Does anyone think Ukraine is going to roll over for trump?

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago

    Every month I buy a field med kit for Ukraine through White Stork. I am so sorry about Trump, Ukraine. So utterly sorry.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    Vlad and Donnie don’t know peace, they only know vassals

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    How is the orange cancer telling Zelenskyy what Putin told him to say with that Russian dick in his mouth?

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Don't forget a big part of the deal: Putin won't show pictures of Trump sucking off Bubba.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    As if AI can't do that already. Nobody on either side will believe anything offered as evidence, because it's just so easy to fake. He'll never suffer any consequences for his lifetime of criminality and lies.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Creating photos that will actually pass real scrutiny hasn't happened yet. That's why. Can it fool the general populace who would look at it for no more than 1 second? Sure. But that's a low bar.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Trump has already released all sorts of fake photos, and as with his words, it doesn't matter if it's true or not, the purpose is only to influence or fool the target audience for just long enough for them to dismiss reality.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    US sees their cementing the occupation in Palestine and wants to do the same here.

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