Feel this is a good accompanying piece for all the folk insisting on caping for a Blackwater merc wth a nazi tattoo because he said something they liked.

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[–] 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Bottom line is that I'm skeptical of this guy, but this is my take on his whole deal.

He reminds me of a lot of young, infantry people I've met in my time: young and full of stupid decisions. I genuinely believe that he got a Totenkopf without realizing what it was. That sounds like something an idiot, young infantryman would do. However, I don't for a second believe that he didn't know what it was until recently. That's a bald faced lie for someone who claims to be a student of history. My read of it is that he realized what he had on himself and he was too ashamed to actually do something about it and instead tried to just keep it a secret. That is, he tried to keep it a secret until he was outed for it. If this is the case, he should have just come clean about it when it came out and just said this, but he didn't.

As for everything else, I'll extend him some grace on some (except one) post. Being a trolly edgelord is whatever. Infantry, especially at the time, was very sheltered from the military sexual assault issues, and war is really hard on someone. It can send you to really dark places, especially if that's all you've known. So, apologizing for saying stupid, offensive things and demonstrating change is fine. The one thing I am having a hard time reconciling is the "black people don't tip" post. He's actually defending that, which...is a choice. If he disavowed it saying that it's something he observed but is obviously untrue, then fine, but he didn't.

I don't think he's a closet racist or a closet nazi. I think he might just be kind of dumb. If he's elected, at least he won't furrow his brow and vote with Trump on everything.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    What does it matter after he is dumb. Don't vote for dumb people as leaders. I have posed the question before what is worse dumb or evil and have posited that im kinda leaning toward dumb. I mean at least a highly intelligent person wanting the best for them and everyone else be damned may recognize how being a regular person in an advanced economy is better than being a king in the middle ages.

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  • [–] [S] 60 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Also, funny enough, I apparently blocked this guy on reddit on the account I was using back in 2020

    So, odds are, I was calling him a nazi back then too.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Odds are probably not.

    Because his entire reddit history for the past decade has been dug up and none of it points to nazi posting. Even posts that were deleted.

    You'd think if he was a secret nazi, then maybe it would show in his private online shitposting. When he wasn't running for office, when he didnt have to maintain face... but no, its not there.

    Literally, ALL, the evidence this smear campaign has is the tattoo (which he immediately covered). None of his private history for a decade supports this. Instead most of the private reddit posts contradict it.

    You think a white supremacist is calling white rural voters a bunch of racists? You think a nazi is posting ACAB?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Say what you will about Hasan, I think his take on the tattoo is spot on. Regardless of whether or not he has or had Nazi sympathies, it shows a just complete incompetence in how the campaign was run and he's just a liability to progressive movements.

    If he isn't going to take his campaign itself seriously. How you present yourself and are perceived in public matters and affects your ability to develop coalitions to push through legislation, especially on a national scale as a senator.

    If I were a Maine voter, I would hold my nose and vote for him, but the next election cycle, he's got to go unless he really shows some maturity in how he runs a national campaign within the first year. Otherwise, start looking for and pushing a different candidate for the next election cycle.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

    Say what you will about Hasan

    According to his own words, he is already supporting Janet Mills, who is seemingly antithetical to his expressed political ideology and values i.e. her being loosely pro-genocide and a neoliberal.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    Do you have a source for that? Only clip I could find had him also endorsing Susan Collins and was clearly satirical. The stream I watched had him not really sure how to react to it for a while. I think he assumed the skull was more well known than it actually was, like if he had an actual swastika on his chest.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    As Soulg said, the end of the video he did on Graham on his main YouTube channel is my source. If I recall correctly, he says he supports Janet Mills, states that she has a clear track record, and says that he's apart of "Mill's Mafia". It didn't feel satirical, but he definitely didn't have his heart behind it either seemingly.

    It just feels hypocritical of him to already be supporting somebody so in conflict with him. Somebody who is as old as she is, somebody who is pretty unpopular, somebody who represents the establishment - and is also backed by them.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    The entire Left seems to not fucking understand that there is over a year until the general (over six months until the actual primaries?) but I have increasingly come to accept this is people re-litigating "The election is 3 months out. We don't have time for a primary" in the stupidest way possible.

    But... welcome to being an adult. Ideologically? You can hate a mother fucker. But, at the end of the day, it is all about minimizing harm. You pick the lesser of the evils. And a bog standard establishment Liberal is way better than a lying Nazi who shows more and more signs of pulling a Fetterman every week.

    I can't speak for Hasan as I find him to be insufferable. But if he really is making it a point to emphasize the lesser evil? Good on him. His constant "I am going to vote for Kamala but I can't tell you to because she is genocidal" bullshit definitely didn't help things last year.

    Primaries are when you have ideological wars. Generals are when you hold your nose and vote for the lesser evil. And you hope that the groups you are throwing under the bus (almost always women, people of color, and LGBTQIA+ folk) haven't decided they just don't care and want EVERYONE to suffer along with them anymore.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm trying to follow the conversation here but I am unsure who Hasan is. The only person I'm aware of that's famous enough to be recognized by that name is the comedian. Has he become more involved in politics or is it someome else?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Hasan Piker is basically the left wing joe rogan. He got his start working for family at The Young Turks and pivoted to twitch where he does a mix of playing video games, rebroadcasting other people's content while he goes to the bathroom, and provide Baby's First Leftist Thought to a large amount of the internet.

    When he is good (like going outdoors to interview people at protests), he is really good and a force to be reckoned with. When he is bad (sitting in his mansion talking about The Struggle while attacking any leftwing politician who fails his purity tests), he is deeply obnoxious. And he is very blatantly every single tankie you ever rolled your eyes at on reddit and has a bad habit of parroting putin/xi talking points until he realizes his chat is getting angry at him. But, at all times, he is influential.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    Ideologically? You can hate a mother fucker. But, at the end of the day, it is all about minimizing harm.

    This is a harmful idea to spread and is exactly why the Democratic Party doesn't give a fuck about its voters or potential voters.

    And a bog standard establishment Liberal is way better

    He's running on a progressive platform, which is way better. The "bog standard establishment Liberal" is free to compete with populist policies and run on the same damn things.

    But if he really is making it a point to emphasize the lesser evil? Good on him.

    The primary and election are far out. No, this is not good on him.

    His constant “I am going to vote for Kamala but I can’t tell you to because she is genocidal” bullshit definitely didn’t help things last year.

    People are free to have red lines in a democracy. Politicians would be wise to respond to them, after all, they are supposed to be keying in on those issues and representing us.

    A pro-corporate, pro-genocide geriatric is not desirable choice to be a senator. A significant portion of the country is disenfranchised, have you ever asked yourself why so few people vote?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This is a harmful idea to spread and is exactly why the Democratic Party doesn’t give a fuck about its voters or potential voters.

    Again, what is the alternative? Help trump win rather than pick the option that causes you the least amount of harm>

    He’s running on a progressive platform, which is way better

    He is a nazi who has already been caught in a massive lie about his nazi tattoo. Again, Fetterman. People lie

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Again, what is the alternative?

    Encourage voters to vote however they want to in a democracy and encourage politicians to test the waters and to really understand what 1) wins them elections 2) attracts voters 3) and restores trust in our institutions.

    Voting is just one part of a working democracy, never forget that.

    Again, Fetterman. People lie

    And Janet Mills is another Dianne Feinstein in the making.

    If Janet Mills and Graham Planter were my choices right now in a primary, I'd vote for Graham Platner because he is running on populist policies and doesn't have a clear track record of being a corporate minion that doesn't represent their state. Also factoring into my decision are the strong indicators that she will lose to Susan Collins.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Encourage voters to vote however they want to in a democracy and encourage politicians to test the waters and to really understand what 1) wins them elections 2) attracts voters 3) and restores trust in our institutions.

    And then chuds will laugh at you because they vote as a block.

    This is why even the parliamentary systems, that are very much about making third parties viable, tend to consolidate into voting blocks and super parties when the shit hits the fan.

    doesn’t have a clear track record of being a corporate minion that doesn’t represent their state

    ... he was a fucking Blackwater mercenary who murdered and subjugated brown people on the other side of the planet in the name of corporations

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    And then chuds will laugh at you because they vote as a block.

    Let them laugh? I'm looking at the 1/3 of the country that doesn't vote in the general election and the significant portion of Americans that don't vote in the midterm elections. I am attempting to get you to realize that 2/3 is a winning majority - so encourage your favorite lesser evil to realize this too.

    … he was a fucking Blackwater mercenary who murdered and subjugated brown people on the other side of the planet in the name of corporations

    Wasn't that for 6 months? If you want to give me his body count, please do tell. It might influence my decision, if only slightly. I won't blame somebody for being sucked up by our MIC.

    People like me will always vote for populist policies in such a primary - it's the lesser evil in this instance and for the greater good.

    And for the record, Fetterman never had me fooled. If an establishment-backed poser like him fooled you, that's on you for not realizing that.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Okey dokeys. Good luck convincing 66.66% of the country that you are correct by, let me check:

    1. Backing nazis who worked for blackwater
    2. Calling people fools
    3. Helping republicans win so that they can make sure we "never have to vote again"
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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Good luck convincing 66.66% of the country that you are correct

    I don't need to personally convince 2/3 of the country.

    In our current system, that's the job of politicians, their campaigns, and so forth.

    Backing nazis who worked for blackwater

    1. I said I would vote for populist policies. It's the lesser evil. Re-read.

    Calling people fools

    1. Re-read, I did not state this. You're not a fool.

    Helping republicans win so that they can make sure we “never have to vote again”

    1. A vote for Janet Mills is a vote for Susan Collins. Look at the previous races that Susan Collins has won and who ran against her. Janet Mills is also the least popular Democratic governor in the US.
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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I mean it's likely him or Collins. I'll take the devil I don't know.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The election is one year away and over six months until registration for the primary ends. There is zero reason to stick with someone that has this many red flags. If he manages to win the primary, he will all but guarantee another Collins victory, because its real easy to write attack ads against this guy.

    You know how Bernicrats always get smeared as being low key bigots? This doesn’t help with that image. I have seen multiple POC and jewish people on bluesky lamenting the fact that Bernie’s supporters are known for purity tests, but the cis-white male with a nazi tattoo gets a pass. That’s the image that is being conveyed to the public at large. There’s just no way to come back from having a nazi tattoo when running as a democrat in this day and age. And ‘I got it covered up once everyone found out’ is not an answer that is going to fly for the majority of people out there.

    This isn’t the DNC going against him, Ken Martin supports him, Bernie still endorses him, he was all over CNN like a month ago as the exciting outsider oysterman who tells it like it is. And then it came out he has a nazi tattoo. So much of the general public turned on him. Some reporter said that when polling dem senators about it, they all said the tattoo wasn’t an issue, and still think he’s good for engagement. It isn’t them going against him, and most news articles are still going soft on him, and using his phrasing to describe it. But the general public hears nazi tattoo and, rightfully, wants nothing to do with him.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You know how Bernicrats always get smeared as being low key bigots?

    I've often noticed this.

    Ignoring the part that is obvious psyops being directed at the left, it seems like some people think that if you focus on issues of class primarily and don't constantly harp on issues of identity instead, that makes someone a "bigot". I think that's how the thinking goes, but what the people with the hyper-focus on "intersectionality" seem to be missing is that this kind of hair-splitting is exactly the tactic the elites employ to divide everyone up...and some of these scolds seem to be doing everything exactly as the elites would want them to go about it...

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The fact of the matter is Bernie has always been weak on race issues. He botched the BLM protests in 2016 and has never had sufficient outreach to the Black community. I don’t think he’s a bigot at all, but he doesn’t seem to understand that there is more than class war. To dismiss the concerns of the Black community in America as being just part of a larger class war is incredibly insensitive. All classes of white people have marginalized POC in this country repeatedly throughout its history.

    I love Bernie, but this is a major flaw of his. In 2016 it was somewhat understandable as he is from Vermont and was kinda blindsided by everything, but he still has not progressed on this issue and I don’t think either he or enough of his supporters get how off-putting it is to these communities.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago*

    At the end of the day? Sanders is a rich, privileged, 84-year old white male. And he has been a professional politician for almost half his life.

    Sanders argues for class politics and fucking good for him. But he ignores race and identity because... that hasn't been a concern for him in closer to 60 years than not. Same with his LONG track record of shitty views on immigration: American Leftists (also other countries) kinda were actively opposed to immigration up until fairly recently as it was largely viewed as a way to bring in cheap labor to take away American jobs (and... it kinda was....).

    But what that results in is that we have an 84 year old man who thinks he still is living in the 1970s and 1980s... in the 2020s. And now that he finally has a platform after literally being the meme about how nobody gives a shit about white guys talking on CSPAN... he is rapidly becoming an example of why it is ALWAYS shut the fuck up Friday and it maybe is time for grandpa to step down.

    But the problem is that so many people have decided he is the only hope for "socialism" in the world and are insisting that any shitty thing he does isn't a symptom of being old as fuck but is actually some deeply intelligent 4-d chess. Which is why "h1b visas are bad" is such a "both sides" talking point and so forth.


    Think about it this way: You are going to the store to buy some bulk food. Let's say kidney beans. You grab the scooper, try not to think about who the last person who used it was, and then dump a scoop or four into your bag. You eyeball it to make sure nothing looks overly bad, but you aren't going to individually check each bean. You'll just dump them in water and see which are the bad floaters. It is less than a few pennies worth of lost food so whatever.

    Good on you. You are privileged. Most of us are.

    Now understand there are people in the world who can't do that. They actually have to very slowly add the loose beans to their bag because a lot of them ARE rotten or overly damaged.

    It isn't an inherent flaw that you or I don't check each individual bean. But it also means that we don't have the perspective to advocate for those who need to.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Dawg, he's got a Nazi tattoo. My non-white ass is done with him.

    Demand better of your representatives.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    No, no, no, but don't you see? We're the ones stopping labor progress by being concerned about what happens to our communities~ And, of course, communities of color have never been behind progresses of labor rights while focusing on issues of race (as if they don't often go hand-in-hand)~

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago*

    "It's cool. I covered it up. I didn't even know it was nazi-ish"

    Next, it'll be "I'm being targeted. This is a smear job"

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    CNN also spoke with an acquaintance of Platner from more than a decade ago who said Platner spoke about his tattoo resembling a Nazi symbol. A second person told CNN that they learned of the tattoo years ago from the acquaintance, who told them that Platner had described it as a Nazi-style design.

    Hard working journalists looking for anybody that will protect Susan Collins!

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hard working journalists looking for anybody that will protect Susan Collins!

    Or just anyone with eyes that saw the tattoo?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Archive link to avoid that cancerous website?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    https://archive.is/N9y0k

    If I'm being very generous, this dude was in straight up denial about all his buds being Neo-Nazis for a looong time. I guess it's possible all those crayons blocked a lot of his critical thinking lol. Working for Blackwater is still by far the most damning, I'd need to hear an authentic condemnation of all the merc shit He's done to really believe that he's not a fascist or that he's at least reflected and reformed.

    It'll be interesting to see how many ppl in Maine will choose this guy over the incumbent, and whether this kind of background matters at all to the electorate as long as the policies being advocated for actually address affordability

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nothing in this article suggests any new evidence. It's literally a "trust me bro" article. wtf?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think I still believe his politics are genuine and that he's not a secret Nazi. Definitely a bad look though, seems like he did indeed lie about when he knew. Probably has good memories connected to it and made excuses for it to keep those despite its obvious imagery. Very unfortunate that the scandal is getting more teeth because of what appears to be a bad and false attempt to minimize it.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If this was a mistake about something that wasn't literal nazismz it would be a witch hunt. However it's actual nazi imagery and lies and cover ups and comments that align with nazi type beliefs. He may be reformed but denying it and pretending is not a sign of reformz even if human.

    We should welcome Nazis who reformz that haven't committed nazi acrsz only expressed their horrible views, but they should be denouncing those views and apologising.

    I think the bad attempt to minimise it is what is giving it legs.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Nothing else he's done has aligned with an actual Nazi. The dumb shit has all been the types of prejudices that are unfortunately pretty common, not dog whistles about 14 words or European culture or birthrates or any other Nazi entryism.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (32 children)

    This feels like it is being orchestrated against this guy, if I'm going to be honest.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    That’s almost certainly true. And i believe him when he says those tattoos are commonplace, that marines don’t consider the original meaning, and that he knows black & Latino people with them.

    But i think, at the very least, not getting it covered up before choosing to run for office demonstrates a staggering lack of political acumen and is a very large indication of a lack of good judgement.

    I mean, we don’t give ordinary people a pass if they fly a Confederate flag and say it’s just because they’re from the US South and it’s meaning for them is entirely divorced from slavery. Same thing here, except politicians are supposed to be held to higher standards.

    I’d also say that the times the US is finding itself in, with rapidly encroaching fascism, open racism, and the slightly-more-gradual embracing of Nazi symbolism from the current administration, makes it even more important for the left to reject someone with a literal Nazi tattoo - regardless of how they got it and what it may mean to them.

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  • [–] [S] 26 points 1 year ago (30 children)

    Does it matter?

    Here are the facts:

    1. He has an SS skull tattooed on his chest
    2. He got it 20-ish years ago
    3. He finally covered it up 1-ish week ago
    4. He insisted he did not know the meaning of it as recently as this week
    5. He apparently was getting into internet arguments over how he knew the meaning of it and it was not 5 years ago
    6. Thus, he has known he had a nazi tattoo for at least 5 years

    I don't care if it is Emperor Palpatine behind this and Sheev starts giving crotch chops over how he got all of us. I just care about not electing a fucking nazi to the senate under the Democrat flag. Republicans already got that shit on lock.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (22 children)

    In none of those threads did he say he had a Nazi tattoo. In fact, he argued in all of those threads that Nazi associated tattoos (skulls and lightning bolts) are often gotten by people in the military without any personal association of them with white supremacy. Which is what his story is.

    Calling this guy a secret Nazi is insane.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    Who puts a totenkopf on their body the size of a grapefruit, over their heart, and doesn't know what it is?

    It wasn't a Jolly Rodger skull and cross bones it was Hitler's SS skull and crossbones.

    The artist definitely knew what they were doing.

    The tattoo was done in Croatia, an area known for fascists.

    He was Blackwater for fs sake.

    All one has to do to make you follow them is talk about class consciousness.

    He is controlled opposition just like Fettermen.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (16 children)

    Your theory here is that he's a secret Nazi who in his anonymous online life as a nobody posted some bland prejudice rather than Nazi entryism, talked left wing politics, decided it was time to run for office and instead of running in the party openly embracing racism and Nazis decided to run in a Democratic primary, and then as his master plan was being put into motion, just like forgot to cover up the tattoo that could reveal his big secret.

    Being Blackwater is a solid criticism, and I hope to God that's your real motivating reason, because believing this secret Nazi theory is just insane.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Bro if he's not a nazi - that is, if he didn't know what kind of skull he was permanently inking on his chest - then he is uneducated enough not to be suitable for public office.

    But even if you do enough mental gymnastics and forget about the nazi tattoo, the fact that he was a Blackwater merc should be enough to dissuade anyone from voting for him.

    If this man somehow made a 180° in his 40s and went from a nazi merc to some sort of leftie, that's awesome for him. That's nothing short of a miracle right there, divine intervention kind of stuff. Big clap. Still shouldn't be voting for him and he should be humble enough not to be running in the first place. Let someone who had it right all along give it a go.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I disagree with the idea that we should even want our politicians (or leaders in general) to have lived perfectly virtuous lives. I would much rather someone who has made mistakes AND LEARNED FROM THEM in a leadership role because... that is literally life experience.

    The problem is that... there is absolutely zero indication that platner learned from anything. He was still using homophobic slurs as recently as 2020, he is outright lying about why he still had a nazi tattoo, and, most importantly:

    NOBODY knows who he is. Near as I can tell, his credentials are that he is a reddit shitposter who says good things about M4A. He does not have an extensive history doing volunteer/charity work or any form of activism. He basically was in the military, then joined Blackwater, then took over an oyster farming business with his wife where even he acknowledges he mostly depends on his disability payments for said time in the military.

    Whereas, at an old job, I was regularly part of the unofficial commitee that worked to improve diversity and equality in our hiring practices. And one of the strongest allies was a woman who was fairly cagey about her past. She was the one who most regularly took advantage of company programs to maximize donations to advocacy groups and she very regularly was suspected to be the person who put the flyers up about protests and the like. And she was always the first person to go REAL fucking hard when people started using dog whistles to explain why they didn't want to even advertise to Women in Engineering or the various Black Engineering lists.

    And... for a lot of us who got to know her out of work, she was fairly open that she grew up in The South to a very religious family and did a lot of things she is ashamed of in her youth. And... a few of us definitely had suspicions over a fairly large and prominent tattoo on her shoulder that seemed to be covering Something up. But she was also very open that she has spent most of her life atoning for her past mistakes and I don't know a single person who didn't consider her a fucking Ally.

    Contrast that with "I talked about how much I like socialism on twitter".

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Contrast that with “I talked about how much I like socialism on twitter”.

    That is a comical and disgraceful summary of Platner's career. Hell, running for office wasn't even his idea. He was recruited by local labor unions, directly as a result of his activism work, not his online posts.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    if he didn't know what kind of skull he was permanently inking on his chest - then he is uneducated

    Oh piss off. The overwhelming majority of people (even on Lemmy) didnt know what a totenkopf was until this incident. I wouldn't be surprised if YOU just learned about this

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I didn't know what it was. An upon looking it up, Germans used it going back to the 1700s. It also looks cool so it's a damn shame the Nazis ruined it, just like they ruined everything.

    This is one of those razors, malice and incompetence, that one. Walk in tattoo parlor, they have pictures, you pick one. Know many Marines who did that very thing, though mainly women or eagles or some shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Hahaha I hit a nerve apparently 😂 I don't expect everyone to know what this symbol is, but before you tattoo something, come on! As for myself, I'm from a country that suffered under the Germans and I'm well aware of what they did, their atrocities etc and their various insignia. Also I'm a fan of Mark Felton on YouTube so yeah, I knew, sorry.

    Btw the overwhelming majority of people don't have nazi tattoos and don't run for public office so I don't give a fuck if they know or not. He should fucking know.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    This, again, speaks to your naivety. About military culture, about tattoo culture, etc.

    For YOU, it's important to know everything about something you're getting a tattoo of. But it's EXTREMELY common in both military circle and tattoo circles to just get a tattoo of a thing. Because sometimes, for some people, it's not about what the tattoo is, but the place, experience, memory of getting it. The art itself is the least important thing.

    That's not you, and that's okay... but to think that everyone thinks like you? Or should? Arrogance. Snobbish arrogance.

    Whatever man, sow division about shit. Don't let people make mistakes and grow. Be insufferable. That'll make the world better.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Educate me on military [lack of] culture and tattoo subculture, is it let's enroll anywhere they'll give us a gun so we can shoot little brown people and let's ink anything anywhere until society pays attention?

    So I don't give a fuck what people do, you want to join Blackwater and do whatever shit they do, go ahead. Want to tattoo stupid nazi symbols you know nothing about? Suuuure. Just don't expect a vote from educated people with actual culture. But then again it just occurred to me that there's not so many of the latter, given the current level of US politics... This guy is probably at the right place at the right time. Carry on.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    All that money, the pain, the effort and nobody cares huh? It's not your fault, it's just everybody's got them these days so nobody cares anymore...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    By the way mods, whoever removed SailorFuzz's comment above, why did you do that? Now I look like an idiot making personal attacks for no reason. I'm not offended by the comment, please reinstate it so that people know who this guy is. It wasn't even a slur, all they said was I was insufferable, come on. Thicker skin guys!

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    The question isn't what we know. It's that he says, in the 20 years he's had the tattoo, he never learned who also used it, and no one else ever mentioned it to him. That is highly improbable. Its not that he has the tattoo, it's that his justifications so far are implausible.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    All I'm saying is he is not the person he says he is. What self-respecting tattoo artist would put that on someone for shits and giggles? Croatia is a known hotspot for fascists.

    This is a very specific death's head and is intricate enough for just being a death's head. Also, who puts a grapefruit-sized tattoo on their chest, over their heart, without knowing its significance?

    When was the last time you put that kind of tattoo on your body as a lark?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    But the only way this is a "turn against him regardless of the other options" issue is if he's a secret Nazi, so whether that theory is remotely plausible is the key question. Not "when did he know" or "did he really not see that one connect sketch that is, for most of us, the only time we've ever seen a tottenkopf". And it's just not plausible.

    Anyone but secret Nazi is just a shade of "that was dumb/lazy/clueless of you", which is not a reason to purge the progressive and just take whatever else we can.

    I gather there is another progressive in the race that's not taken off, so let them make their case and see if they can march his energy. If we have an option that's drawing crowds and free from issues, cool, but if not, a guy with good intentions and some questionable decisions is easily better than an ancient neoliberal who's going to die in office and play Susan Collins from the left until she does. Trying to push a nonsensical theory about a secret Nazi that even when they thought they were an anonymous shitposter on Reddit never acted like a Nazi is at this point indistinguishable from just trying to get Mills elected.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Synema didn't have a Nazi tattoo and look how that went.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    What is that supposed to mean? How does Sinema relate at all? Sinema never campaigned as a progressive. Right from the start she was presenting herself as a maverick centrist. We just hoped that was a lie.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/kyrsten-sinema-conservative-democrat/

    In 2002, The Arizona Republic published a letter from Kyrsten Sinema, then a social worker preparing to run for a seat in the state House of Representatives, putting forth a critique of capitalism. Capitalism, she wrote, gave us NAFTA, the World Bank, and the World Trade Organization, which benefit the American ruling class at the expense of workers in the United States and abroad. “Until the average American realizes that capitalism damages her livelihood while augmenting the livelihoods of the wealthy, the Almighty Dollar will continue to rule,” she concluded. “It certainly is not ruling in our favor.”

    I think voters were suckered again into thinking she "had" to court rw voters to win but would stay true to her expressed values, whether they were sincerely held or not. I've seen this play out for over four decades, repeatedly and somehow we always move economically right, regardless of superficial socially left policy that incidentally is never codified, along the way, with rare exceptions that conveniently disappear instantaneously when one party regains control, while the most abhorrent are perniciously stubborn and stick when the other party regains control.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What kind of Nazis do you know make comments like "all cops are bastards?"

    That's antithetical to the entire idea of being a Nazi.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    How many leftists do you know that have a tottenkopf the size of a grapefruit over their hearts? Zero, because someone with a totenkopf over their heart is a fascist.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Does it matter?

    Yes. A lot. And it really worries me how the left fall for these obviously coordinated smear campaigns like this and the one against Hasan.

    How quickly the left will turn on its own when the real monsters and real fascists currently in power benefit from it.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Having good politics doesn't mean someone is inherently virtuous. Except platner doesn't even have that. He just showed up out of nowhere saying he had good politics.

    And, personally? I don't consider Nazis to be "one of our own". But apparently that doesn't matter to "leftists".

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Nothing about anything that he's done suggests he's actually a Nazi. Only this tattoo, a symbol most people don't even know is a Nazi symbol. A tattoo he has a reasonable explanation for and immediately had covered up.

    Someone who is a Nazi will have other signs, which he doesn't have.

    You want to believe he's a Nazi and no amount of counter evidence will sway you.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Nothing about anything that he’s done suggests he’s actually a Nazi. Only this tattoo

    And now to editorialize

    A tattoo he has a reasonable explanation for that is now demonstrably a lie and immediately had covered up 20 years after getting it and 5 years after confirming he understood it was related to the SS totenkomp.

    But yeah. The problem is all of us who believe the guy with an SS tattoo who lied about knowing it had SS ties is a nazi.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    I agree. It doesn't matter.

    He claims: "For 20 years I didn't know the thing I had permanently engraved on my body is a Nazi symbol. "

    • A. He is a a moron ( technical term) -- and Disqualified.
    • B. He is a liar

    and ALSO Disqualified.

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