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[–] 23 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

Imagine creating an economic system where basic necessities becoming more affordable is considered a crisis. And then gaslighting everyone into thinking this system is so perfect and wonderful and there’s no way it could ever be better.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    The problem with falling house prices is for the people who recently purchased. Imagine buying a home for $500k and 1 year later you still owe $475k on it and it's only worth $450k.

    Eventually people say fuck it, and declare bankruptcy to get over an upside down mortgage.

    If enough people do that then the banks fail. If enough banks fail then there's cascading effects across the economy which can lead to mass layoffs, failing businesses, and other crises.

    If collapse is what you want then yeah let then fall. But there's a lot more pain in collapse than you realize.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago*

    I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying—which, to be fair, I didn't articulate in much detail.

    I understand why it's a problem under capitalism. But that's sort of the whole point I'm making. We've created an economic system with all of these perverse incentives. We need to create an economic system where living can become more affordable for people without causing economic chaos, and where we aren't held hostage to the economic interests of the extremely rich.

    What if we had an economy that thrived when food and shelter become cheaper? What if the economic pain was inflicted on the well-off when the poorer in society started doing worse, instead of the other way around? If we could engineer such a system, our leaders would make much different decisions, I think.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In a true communist system, isn't the idea, that homes should be free? Dropping prices seems like a step in that direction for them

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    But alas, China isn't a true communist country. Just like many socialist country, their economy still relies on capitalism, and this issue is much more complex than say housing should be free, because the issue they're facing right now is there's way too many supply and there's not enough demand(or simply unaffordable).

    Housing price falling might be a good news for people who's looking to buy one as their forever home, but beyond that, it will make upper-middle class and upper class people spending less as the mortgage they're paying doesn't match the housing price in the current market, which could have a cascading effect toward the economy as a whole. Another issue is, when the demand is too low and the housing development company stop their project, ten(or even hundred) of thousands of blue collar will also affected. Now suddenly a "good news" doesn't sound as good as it is. The article explain it better.

    And i'm not even talking about the multimillionaires that can escape when they want to.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    People forget that China is communistic in social policies so low new home prices so that people can afford homes is good, even at the lower profits for the developers.

    You could say that China is anti-oligarchy.

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I mean the percentage of home owners is extremely high in china, I cant imagine owning a home and all the surrounding land is still state owned, or leased. Mowing the governments lawn just isnt for me I suppose.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    New home prices went up like crazy in China for years until the government's hopelessly over-subsidized and over-supported property led to a construction boom in the country that could house 3 billion people, more than twice of China's population. It has been criticized even by Chinese officials in a rare public critique. Unfortunately the turmoils are far from over, the market is still under severe stress.

    [Edit typo.]

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