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New Zealand oceans warming 34% faster than global average, putting homes and industry at risk, report finds (www.theguardian.com)
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NZ$180bn worth of housing and $26bn of infrastructure at risk of flooding and storm damage, new government report finds

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[+] -22 points 1 year ago (12 children)

There is literally nothing we can do about this except blame China. There is no reason why NZ should care at all about carbon emission reduction. If anything, we should increase carbon emissions.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The fuck?! Our cattle industry is a huge problem since methane is 30x more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. Ocean acidification is an us problem because once it kills off all the oxygen production we’re all dead.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago

    Huge problem? No its not it doesn't even rank in the top 1000 problems regarding emissions. If you said Brazil 230M /India 194M / China 73M / US 88M "cattle industry is a huge problem" I would agree but 9million cattle is fuck all and not even close to being a 'huge problem'. China has 73million cows and they barely even farm beef. So please try again and tell me why NZ should give a single fuck about emissions? We could drop our emissions by 100% and it wouldnt be as significant as a 1% reduction from China which China is nowhere near doing btw. They cant even do a reduction in the rate of emission growth.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What!? Every single thing you said is wrong. There are a multitude of things we can do about it. Stopping dairy conversions is one. We should absolutely care about it. Storms, flooding and coastal inundation being the proven outcomes of sea temp rises. Increasing emission is the opposite of what we should do. I can't fathom the logic that would make anyone come to that conclusion. China should be applauded, their rollout of renewables is world leading. Obvious troll is obvious I guess

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    You've fallen for Chinese propaganda. China is not leading the world in the rollout of renewables. Theyre behind the world average and significantly behind Europe. They also pollute the most by far. They produce more emissions than the next 6 countries combined.

    If they are "leading the world" please tell me what % of their energy came from renewables im 2022, 2023, 2024. Then show me the world average then show me Europe.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Where are you getting your numbers from. China has lower per capita emissions than NZ and most other countries

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Why would per capita emissions be the stat we look at? That makes no sense. I'm getting my numbers from IEA energy reports.

    And by the way china has higher per capita emissions than nz and most of the world.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Why would per capita emissions be the stat we look at? That makes no sense.

    Sure it does. You know what doesn't make sense? Comparing the emissions of a country with five million people to a country with a billion people saying "see we are good, they are evil".

    I’m getting my numbers from IEA energy report

    Links please.

    And by the way china has higher per capita emissions than nz and most of the world.

    Links please.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What the fuck are you talking about. China is leading the world in renewables and electrifying their cars.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    No they aren't. I can see how you would get that impression if your opinion was formed entirely from reading headlines of propaganda articles posted but those zoom very far in snd highly only small wins. The big picture is horrible which is why they avoid it.

    Their energy is only 30% renewable. Thats bang on the world average which is completely unacceptable for the largest country in the world. If they actually cared we would see them reduce the rate of emissions over the last 10 years but we havent its only kept increasing year on year.

    They buy a lot of electric cars which is great and compared to countries that are 10x smaller it might seem like a ton but their overall fleet is only 9% EVs. I couldn't find good data on this compared to other countries so I'll just say its good and I doubt its world leading or anywhere near.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Where are you getting your numbers from?

    If 30% of their energy is from renewables, how much of the rest is from nuclear?

    Everything I have read shows that China is doing more to move away from fossil fuels than any other nation.

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    [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago

    New Zealand has been hit with unprecedented marine heatwaves in recent years, which have been linked to mass sea sponge bleaching, die-offs of southern bull kelp, large scale fish strandings and penguin deaths.

    victims of human follies for which they bear no responsibility

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