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[–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • 13 comments in c/politicalvideos@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Didn’t watch. But every Trump voter I know likes Bernie. They will not tolerate any Bernie slander and would have voted for him in 2016 and probably this last election too (except for the one family because they’ve gone down the Trump is ordained by Christ route and will not be returning to sanity).

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well, they’re swing state voters. I’ve never heard any of them call Bernie a socialist. But two of them are women and both like Bernie. But both would describe themselves more as Libertarians or Independents. But they’ve consistently voted Trump with the men around them.

    The other couple definitely wanted to vote for him in 2016, they were largely democrats until then and switched “Republican” that year, and voted under the “Trump is an outsider and a businessman” trope. They’ve just been doubling down every election since then (wife is a foreign born Latina too which yes, a head scratcher (she’s been spending time outside the US since the election and I really think they bought the “just the bad Latinos” bullshit which I thought they were smarter than that. Sad.).

    And even the Christ is King and the end is nigh household says Bernie is a “good guy” and a shame “established demoRATS” wouldn’t let him run.

    Also, I worked in construction, largely electricians I’m referring to, so they have a few more brain cells than say an Iron Worker or Laborers (those are the loud t-shirt wearing stereotype Trump voters), and the Trump guys liked Bernie too because he’s “not a corrupt democrat” and they saw him as an outsider. They hate the banks and loved how he trash talked them.

    All of those groups will stop you if you say “but Bernie” and go “no woah yeah he’s ok I’d have voted for him” Again these are swing state Trumpers. I also know a friend’s brother, farmer married to a European wife, who would probably scream socialist. So certainly you’re right some of them are just brain rotted beyond repair. And I’ve talked to plenty of drunk Trump voters male and female who I’m not sure how they put their shoes on in the morning much less if they could even define what socialist means.

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    I think they use libertarian because they’re allergic to the word liberal. Daddy (only living relative) is full on QAnon. Without going into too much personal detail let’s just say they’re not a deep political thinker. They view themselves as “conservative” but they’re far less socially conservative than I am in actual lived practice. Heavy policy is a little too abstract for them. Rhetoric clips and political perceived “outsiderness” is more their level of comprehension.

    The other one occasionally uses Libertarian because they’re Christian (which, debatable from where I sit) and want a “hands off my life” approach more than they care about actual government function.

    Again both of these people barely finished school and have had their lives largely dictated by abusive men. One is even Native and still voted for Trump because at least he’s not “the establishment” they also praise Bernie for the same reasons.

    I think it boils down to two women grasping for a label to describe themselves in an environment that is hostile to who they actually are in practice.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Now imagine a younger virile man pushing populist policies channeling anger to it's source, the rich.

    The dems have just enough sheep to convince primary voters the unpopular moderate is the safe choice, biden had elizabeth warren split the protest vote when all moderates dropped out it should be remembered, despite them failing over and over and everyone hating them.

    We need a young, aggressive, and angry bernie to raze and burn dem infrastructure to the ground and rebuild a populist party from people that do not suck.

    It turns out populist policies are popular, who knew! Not the Democratic establishment, they were chosen to not be popular. Because they call the Republicans populist, the Republicans are bad, therefore popular bad. In a country that elects leaders based on popular votes. It is too stupid to refute one would think but here we are. And that is not even the least logical of the arguments coming from the Democratic establishment.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Thank you, I needed something political but uplifting. I hope we can hold off fascism long enough to get to the next election. I also hope that young progressives can take back the democratic party. I'm not optimistic, but seeing Bernie talk reminds me that there is some hope.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    There is no hope unless we organize, on our own forums, we could do it connected to the fediverse even. Cooperate publicly and privately on shared goals, including finding and grooming candidates.

    We need a slate of populists attacking the rich, not republican light dem sell outs.

    They are gerrymandering a lot of States so tight that they do not large margins so losing a few percent could be enough to get someone else elected in that District. Which is how the Democrats won the house in 2018 despite aggressive gerrymandering in the majority of states.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Why wouldn't they like Kibbuts Bernie?

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  • 8 comments in c/unions@sh.itjust.works view that post
    [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It takes all of ten minutes for them to revert to their prior positions.

    t. lived in conservative America for much of my life

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Watched a clip of a political YouTuber reacting to the video the same way. Neither of you are wrong. Never been to west Virginia. But it's absolutely that way in the Ozarks from my personal experience.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This video gave me hope for the US.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The democratic party's betrayal of Sanders in 2016, and his popularity in West Virginia in the same year, is directly what led to the state flipping hard red. The Democratic establishment pissed them off and they pivoted. I firmly believe that.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    You'd be insane to believe that, considering that WV had been hard red for two decades at that point, and in 2020 went overwhelming for Biden over Sanders in the Dem primary.

    WV hated Clinton. That's all 2016 was.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I can read minds and they're thinking "we better get some money around here, otherwise we're still blaming the immigrants".

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Yeah. I mean, the sad thing is that Bernie knows he's too old to carry the torch for much longer. This video showcases several moments where he's pushing so hard to get young people involved in politics to keep his momentum after he's gone.

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  • 2 comments in c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Holy crap, he ages like 5 years every time I see him. I'm so gonna miss him when the inevitable comes.

    😔

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    He’s always been fairly popular with conservatives. Even in deep red country towns, I’d hear “I don’t agree with all his ideas, but I trust he means what he says.” He has broad appeal, and that’s exactly why both parties worked together to bury him.

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  • 1 comment in c/mealtimevideos@lemmy.cafe view that post
    [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    This country desperately needs a party that reflects the concerns of the working class and not just corporate interests.

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  • 1 comment in c/lefty_news@ibbit.at view that post
    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Win them over to do what? Vote for the next centrist do nothing democrat the DNC allows to run?

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