According to AP, there were messages engraved on the casings in the Kirk shooting. They read:

  • One read, “hey fascist! catch!” with an up arrow symbol, right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols. 
  • Another one read: “oh bella ciao bella ciao bella ciao ciao ciao,” Cox said. 
  • The third fired casing read: “if you read this you are gay lmao.”

My first thought is. Whoever killed Kirk was clearly inspired by Luigi. The writing on the casings just like Luigi did. The timing. It just makes sense.

Does this mean Luigi’s propaganda of the deed was successful? I think so. In any case, I wonder if this means there is more to come.

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[–] 93 points 1 year ago (6 children)

According to AP, there were messages engraved on the casings in the Kirk shooting.

Careful there. That's not according to the AP, that's ultimately according to the FBI. And if you think Kash Patel and his yes-men are above fabricating evidence to enable Trump to pin the murder on the woke-DEI-LGBT-left-whatever, I have a bridge to sell you.

I'll believe it when I see it, and not with a missing minute in the video.

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sure it’s possible it was fabricated. But I don’t think it’s particularly outlandish.

    In any case, with your comments feedback in mind, perhaps the original discussion should be had with the caveat of “assuming these engravings are legitimate (not given)”

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah it's plausible. It's just that you can't trust anything any part of the US administration says is true and impartial anymore, is my point.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The up-right-down-down-down symbol os from hell divers. Its the code for a 500kg bomb

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago*

    If shooter actually is a leftist, i think at least one of them would have read "nya :3"

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Does this mean Luigi’s propaganda of the deed was successful?

    Luigi's action was successful - and a lot of that success had to do with the fact that Luigi was not seen by the public as an overt political actor... merely somebody screwed over by Big Healthcare Inc.

    Overt attempts to "rinse and repeat" this as a PotD "process" is going to backfire and come crashing down to earth hard.

    Besides... reading those messages engraved into the casings I have to wonder if the shooter hadn't gotten it into their head to do a "false flag" op all by their lonesome - they are pretty damn cringy.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Why and how did they find three casings if it was only one shot? Doesn't add up.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They were in the weapon they found? I'm not defending anyone or thing as true, but I believe there's multiple ways this adds up pretty evenly lol

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    How the hell do you engrave all that on a casing? It'd have to be super-small. Did he use a machine?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But what are the concrete outcomes here? Brian Thompson was more widely hated. I think this one will come with a lot more negative consequences.

    The point of propaganda of the deed is to inspire revolution. I don’t see that happening from either of these actions. If anything it could lead to civil war, which is not desirable.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Brian Thompson was more widely hated.

    Not only that, but Thompson's death wasn't seen as overtly political by the public. If Kirk's shooter, for example, turned out to be someone that lost a family member in a mass-shooting, their actions is going to be relatable to the public - just like Luigi's action was. But if the shooter just turns out to be somebody trying to make a political point... well, we all know how that's going to turn out.

    This is the problem with these high stakes PotD games... they backfire real easy, and a lot of the people willing to do it are also the people that seem to understand that the least.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The casings

    Hmmm I see none of that stuff

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Oof my guy stop believing Facebook posts like a boomer. Turan doesn't even make .30_06 ammunition.

    Also, bullets are typically "engraved" along the side of the casing, not the back, where they are stamped by the manufacturer.

    Here is an example of an engraved .30_06 round. I'm sure the shooters round is much less well done, but this example shows the kind of detail that can be achieved.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hmmm. A simple web search returns pictures of these bullets with a lot of markings on the base. I do not profess to be an expert, but that’s a lot of pictures.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=turan+bullets&udm=2

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Right, and if you do the same search for "Winchester bullets" they all say WIN in the same spot. It's a brand name and that is where it is commonly placed on pretty much all center-fire bullets. You may not be an expert, but the guys in the FBI, who are gun nuts, are. Unfortunately, I grew up around these types of people. I won't pretend this FBI is competent in investigations, but I guarantee you they know bullets. They see a stamp in that spot, they know it's just a brand name, not some "trans ideology". Otherwise they'd think Charlie Sheen was guilty every time they found a casing with WIN stamped into base.

    Every bullet for which you can see the base in that web search is a 9mm pistol round. Not a high powered .30_06 round like was used in the shooting, and the rifle rounds shown in that search are all .308, which is a similar, but still entirely different round than the .30_06. Again, to my knowledge, Turan does not even manufacture a bullet of the caliber used in the shooting.

    Please stop spreading misinformation, that is what we have governments for.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    Fuck Charlie Kirk, but you'd think a leftist would think twice about the psychological harm done to 3000 people in attendance watching their idol get shot in the neck. Talk about a radicalizing event. Its like an instant 3000 more alt right militants. Pretty boneheaded move from a "radical leftist."

    Edit: Looks like they have him in custody. sounds like he was a right wing 4channer. lol

    edit2: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers

    Edit3: high chance this political donation is not him, but someone else with the same name from the same town in UT...

    https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_name=tyler+robinson&contributor_city=St+george&contributor_state=UT

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Talk about a radicalizing event. Its like an instant 3000 more alt right militants.

    Yeah, ... but also no. If your conclusion is "the left is out to get us" in the middle of confusion and chaos, before any evidence comes forward, then I am afraid you were already radicalized.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I hear you, obviously most people at the event were probably far right -- but I don't think necessarily all militant. My point is it's not very hard to imagine the psychological condition of 3000k people -- who've just experienced their cultural representative (culturep?) being assassinated live and in person -- trending even more towards violence. I think that's a pretty precedented way for a social group to process that kinda of psychological trauma.

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    Based on the helldivers 2 stratagem on the 1st unfired round, I suspect the bella ciao message also comes from a game, heart of iron IV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-qTuXDEnFo

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Bella Ciao is an italian partisan song that has been used by antifascists since Mussolini took power. I highly doubt its a video game reference even if he was possibly first introduced to the song by HOI4.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Literally 196 shooter, put them up to the chair for writing cringe like that alone

    And no, propaganda of the deed has been shown to not work in Luigi's case. It's literally been more than 9 months, it didn't inspire the public at large at all (unless you count online larping) and just another lone wolf who from what I can see just recently got into leftism.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think Luigis case has made the average person more sympathetic to terribleness of insurance.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    It’s literally been more than 9 months,

    That's not how any propaganda works, never mind "propaganda of the deed" - there's a reason people talk about propaganda campaigns and not propaganda events. You need a lot of it before it actually starts working.

    Assassination has always been a seriously risky form of POTD - as the old anarchists dicovered the really, really hard way.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Yeah, old anarchists were outright against it.

    Also, campaign implies an organized effort, but these individual murders are anything but. Essentially what we got so far weren't campaigns or even events necessarily, but mere spectacles. Momentary and fleeting, lasting until news cycles stop reporting on it and move on

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This kind of unilateral shitfuckery have always created more problems for anarchists than anything else... they still blame an anarchist for starting WW1 for Christ's sake - you'd think we'd be more vocal about our disapproval of it, but apparently, that's a bridge too far for us.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    What anarchist started WW1? Gavrilo Princip was a nationalist, not an anarchist. Inspired by anarchists and anarchist strategies, but he was a nationalist above all.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    A lot of propaganda at the time blamed anarchists... and I've seen it repeated plenty of times - even in our history textbooks here in Aprtheid-era South Africa.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I doubt Luigi was the first person to engrave bullet casings.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

    Any1 θt saw θ shootŋ (⚠️🩸☠️): θr was only 1 perfect jugular shot. So θr șuld b 1 casŋ, if at all. Knowŋ θ FBI restartd θ search, even accusd some1 wo/evidence, leads me t believe θ sniper collectd θir casŋ too.

    broke θ 🔗 t prevent DDoS. Use anoθr nitter instance if xcancel quota was reachd.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm having to sound out your comment like I'm learning to read again. Why do you type like this?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    God... is that what we'll have to type like in ten years' time?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Anyone that saw that shooting (⚠️🩸☠️): There was only 1 perfect jugular shot. So There should be one casing, if at all. Knowing that FBI restarted that search, even accused someone without evidence, leads me to believe that sniper collected their casing too.

    Broke the link to prevent DDoS. Use another nitter instance if xcancel quota was reached.

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