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[–] 84 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I love seeing American flags. The pro-democracy crowd needs to take that back from the fascists and nationalists.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes. It needs to be taken back. I've been thinking things like a large group of protesters saying the pledge of allegiance would be quite impactful as to who's on the other side.

    Being arrested at a protest? Yell the pledge. See how they try to spin that.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    I hosted a German exchange student in 2006. She, along with the other Germans, were aghast when they saw us all stand for the pledge to the flag in homeroom every morning. They explained that they were (rightly) taught that this kind of behavior is the precursor to horrible, horrible things.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Totally in agreement, and I've left comments here before saying that the left needs to do as much. Maga got it in their heads that they're the "true" Americans. The silent majority. They're ignorant, and seeing all those stars and stripes in the crowds I think really drives down that point "No, we are real Americans, and we're fucking fed up". Compare these photos to the Jan 6 photos, which crowd looks like the real Americans?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    No thank you, the nationalists can keep their star-spangled rag. The "American ideal" always represented a settler-colonial project. Racism, classism, slavery, capitalism, conquest, and genocide are all built into the "American ideal" just as much as its nonideal implementations in the US government.

    Whatever modes of living come after America needs to be a clean break from its horrific legacy. America in all its forms is holding us back.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't think your in the best in headspace

    You've described a period in history for every country, most of them today as well

    You're just giddy it's the u. S this time.

    I'm not insulting you. I get it. But it's not exactly truethful

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    You've described a period in history for every country, most of them today as well

    Yes, I'm literally an anarchist. All states are at least classist, racist, capitalist, and enslavers to some degree. Any one of those would make states worthy of abolition IMO. Of course I oppose nationalism in all its forms. For a more nuanced (and less "giddy") perspective, please see Section D.6 of the Anarchist FAQ.

    You're just giddy it's the u. S this time.

    I'm extremely cautiously optimistic that ordinary people are coming out to protests. And considering how after Trump 1.0, Democrats turned a blind eye to ICE, police violence, the COVID-19 pandemic, and the Gaza genocide once a Democrat was elected to office, all after showing up to Black Lives Matter protests during Trump 1.0...I'm more cautious than optimistic.

    I don't think your in the best in headspace

    Please read my post/comment history. Yeah, life's been a bit shit lately so I'm more upset about it, but I've been an open anarchist for as long as I've been on Lemmy.

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  • [+] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)
  • [+] -16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I don't trust cops, or most people, with sleeves of tattoos.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    Anyone else tear up or cry a little looking at these or am I just a big squishy baby? I have so many feelings looking at these, inspired, scared, even sometimes amused even if that’s followed immediacy disgust like the hotdog man photo, so many more feelings, feeling pretty proud of us too.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    Love the creativity on those messages! Wow!

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Some pics I saw on online :3 Love You All!!!

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I really wish these protest signs had clear demands on them rather than comedic slogans.

    Also that "if Kamala were president we'd be at brunch" sign encapsulates everything that pisses me off about liberals.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm honestly surprised Trump didn't send the military to shoot and kill the protesters

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    We shall overcomb 🤣

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children)

    I love that people are protesting, but the whole "no kings" thing? Really missing the fascist forest for the orange tree.

    Is Trump a fascist wannabe dictator? Yes.

    Is he a tumor who is killing American democracy? Yes.

    He's not doing it alone, though, he didn't pop up out of nowhere, and the underlying cancers that made his regime possible won't just magically vanish when he hopefully succumbs to almost 80 years of bad diet and almost no exercise within the next couple of years.

    The GOP is a fascist party enabled by an effective disinformation machine creating not just a cult of personality around Trump himself, but also a cult of hate that is as united by hostility towards The Others as much as their adoration of the Mango Mussolini.

    Unless the DNC leadership and the protest organizers step up their messaging and starts listening to and representing the ignored third of the country to the Left of Ronald Reagan and the Cheneys, fascism won't go away when the abomination currently infesting the oval office finally croaks.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    I love that people are protesting, but why isn't it perfect and exactly how I want them to do it?

    If you went to one of them, you'd see that they're not just focusing on him.

    People out here complaining about these protests like it's literally their job. Suspect.

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    why isn't it perfect and exactly how I want them to do it?

    Burning Man called. They want their gigantic strawman back.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Oh, so your argument wasn't that people aren't protesting correctly?

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No, I was pointing out ineffective messaging and made the specific reasons clear.

    Which you dumbed down to your own level of rhetorical competence and insight, I guess 🤷

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well that was unnecessarily hostile. Just more evidence that you're arguing in good faith.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    No, that was justifiably peeved since you're still insisting on misrepresenting my clearly stated point.

    If I was arguing in bad faith, I'd do something silly like reduce your argument to the most childishly simplified and egocentric possible interpretation and then insist on the accuracy of that after having the crux of the argument repeated just as clearly but more succinctly.

    Sound familiar?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    You can make a little sign with whatever super important issue on it that you like. People did that. People understood that “No Kings” includes all the issues that come with being a king -or dictator.

    But the most important thing people did was show the fuck up.

    Just like with voting, a protest doesn’t do anything unless people show the fuck up.

    And just like with voting, there are loud, persistent voices online that bemoan doing anything at all because it just isn’t perfect enough for them.

    And you know what? It will never be perfect enough for those people. The real reason they complain is not about the level of perfection in the “messaging”. It’s that they are lazy shits. Or lazy shills.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    No one is glossing over that.

    People need a face for an enemy. Nebulous constructs will not focus anger.

    People need to be focused, that's what this does

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    No one is glossing over that.

    That's just flat out false. The Dem leadership is still bending over backwards to make bipartisan deals with fascists who don't negotiate in good faith and their messaging is all about messaging to almost-Trumpers about how HE is bad while not addressing the underlying problems. Some of which the Dems themselves are partly to blame for.

    People need a face for an enemy

    Yeah, that worked SUPER well when they lost to the most unqualified and personally repulsive person to ever run for president TWICE and only BARELY beat him while he was actively ignoring an ongoing pandemic 🙄

    Nebulous constructs will not focus anger.

    There's nothing "nebulous" about concentration camps, systemic discrimination, complete subservience to a madman, and specific policy that is ruinous to regular people while further enriching the already extremely rich and powerful.

    There's SO much more than only Trump to focus on for the Dem leadership, which would be MUCH more effective in appealing to the actual concerns of regular people and thus increasing voter participation, which would doom the GOP to obscurity in a few cycles if done right.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Dude. Chill.

    No one is glossing over it means we see it. Yes we know. Your ascribing malice to everyone pell neel without seeing that yep, the lawmakers are the issue, but the people aren't b

    We are fighting

    We are not glossing anything over.

    You cannot fight wars on multiple fronts we cannot focus on every single focus point it is not feasible

    Trump is the head of the snake. Not the only snake, but right now he's the head

    Now focus. Stop panicking. Worked with each other. We need to stop letting the overwhelming amount of crap they are thwpring out there blind you

    Remove trump, and it proves the people are in charge and we can remove anyone

    See your listing the issues, that's fine. But that doesn't help focus

    Part of the reason occupy Wall Street failed was a lack of focus, cohesion and unity. Infighting, separate agendas.

    That's what's happening now, and your post is a symptom. You're not stupid, hell your not wrong about any of those issues being important, but your running in circles trying to trying to stop a flood of water with buckets, when we just have to turn off the spout.

    It's hard to turn that spout and it won't be done tomorrow, but if we focus, we can

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I swear I think people’s egos just like to argue for the sake of argument and being intellectually “correct” rather than actually trying to understand the other person and their point of view. Reddit was especially awful with this, which was why I left.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    your running in circles trying to trying to stop a flood of water with buckets, when we just have to turn off the spout.

    What a great analogy. You have a way with words

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Did you go to the protests?

    Edit: I'll take the downvote as a no. So I'll leave you with this: keep your doomer bullshit to yourself, shut the fuck up, and get out of the way.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    It’s both human nature and the nature of protest. There’s a set theme or target and you rally around in. Protests aren’t actually places for nuisanced conversations about the specificities of who, what and where the problem is, they are ground swells to inspire, uplift and fight for change, it’s explicitly a “big picture” event, it’s not a discussion forum

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Id look at the photos but good god the website is unusable on mobile.

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    [–] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I was honestly surprised at the number of people fully exposing their face at mine. 50501 does a good job at deescelation and keeping things civil, so I had minimal ppe (just eyes and ears) but still obscured my face. Many folks didn't even do the basics of hiding their identity and it made me a bit concerned for them, particularly the vulnerable. It also made me quite proud of them for showing up without fear or concern, to let themselves be heard.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    I was in Iraq, stationed at Balad AB in 2006. We heard ALARM RED multiple times a day from rocket and mortar attacks. I wasn't afraid then. I won't give in to fear now. The clowns in this regime are a joke.

    That is the level of fucks I have to give for these fascists and their bullshit. Take care of yourselves the best you can, as you see fit. But I won't let their bully tactics do anything but show how pathetic and small they are!

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I'm afraid it's just the same as lack of concern over digital privacy. I don't want to diminish the bravery but I'm sure a lot of them aren't considering how easy it would be for trump co. to use pictures months down the line to identify protesters.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I'll send tRump a personally autographed picture of my taint to identify me with.

    These clowns are cowards. Being prior US military, they already have my prints, DNA, or whatever else to ID me with. IDGAF! This shit won't end without some bold fucking people with a platform yelling "come at me, bro" while flipping them the fuck off. I'm a nobody, but I'd stand right along side those with such a platform, proudly begging them to do something to a US veteran. My life is the only thing I have and it's not much of one thanks to these twats. I'm not living. I'm not thriving. I'm surviving and barely that anymore. Cowering and hiding won't do me any good, they'll eventually come for me and mine. I just won't give them the satisfaction of seeing their bully tactics working, even down the barrel of a gun.

    Consider me that Soviet prisoner staring down Heinrich Himmler, I guess.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Just got back from the downtown Portland one (have a class I need to go to so I couldn't stay long). It was overwhelming with how many people were there of all ages. And there are several of these happening simultaneously in our city.

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    I couldn't be available for the first half of out local one (SoCal), and had to stay phone accessible for the second half, but I drive through it. Honestly, the turnout was insane. I saw the huge crowd at the intersection where it was supposed to be, and thought it was really impressive. Then I drove through it and the crowd was just thicker and thicker as I went - it went for blocks. My friend went and he said it was a great experience - everyone was peaceful. Lots of cops, but just being present they way they should be when there are thousands of people on the street.

    Hopefully this time there's more news coverage. This AP story is a good start.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Lol: "We shall overcomb!"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Seattle doesn't seem to be making it into any of these national compilation galleries.

    This video gives some sense of scale to the march that went on there: https://bsky.app/profile/victinibcn.bsky.social/post/3lrlwocb5fc2b

    Keep in mind this doesn't include the front or the tail of the march which are turning onto streets off-camera.

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