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[–] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    So they made us to live in this way.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ignorance is bliss. Some people choose that path and get upset when their chosen world view is questioned.

    An easy example is hygiene. Most people understand that hygiene is closely tied to the health of yourself and others.

    Some people don't have that knowledge or don't want to accept that fact because it is easier to not shower, wash clothes, or maintain a clean living space.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    There's also plenty of people with the brain capacity and breath of knowledge to argue their points logically who chose to instead go around logic with salesmen/politician techniques like appeals to emotion and half-truths because that's just a lot easier than assembling a reasoned and informed argument.

    It also allows them to make a point for things which ultimately they want out of some motivation generally deemed as morally bad (greed, selfishness, laziness) without it eventually coming out - say, somebody who finds facemasks uncomfortable to wear and don't really care during an epidemic if they spread it to others, who push the "no face masks" thing as some kind of moral crusade in order to hide their selfish motivations and callousness towards others.

    My impression is that this has become increasingly more common in the last couple of decades.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The internet allowed the village idiot to meet other village idiots and reinforce each other's stupid, stupid ideas and beliefs. Now here we are.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Counterpoint: It also allowed the "weird kid" that got socially ostricized for neurodivergence to have social interations with other "weird kid"s from other communities and seek validation from sypathetic people from all around the world.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    It’s always been a great low pressure avenue for opening up to potentially like minded people and starting conversations.

    I just wish people would show some more IRL decorum, generally. For example we’re responding to an OP talking about “stupid, stupid” people or whatever. I’d be a little more positive off the bat if we were having this conversation at a party.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I don't understand why people just want to stay stupid for some reason. Whenever I am wrong, I am willing to accept that, even though sometimes it goes against my worldview. I also don't talk about topics I have no knowledge about (e.g. economics).

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's partly because they don't really have a concept that they could be wrong. They're so dumb that they don't realize how dumb they are.

    A large part of being intelligent is being able to recognize that you don't know everything.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Btw. This Keanu-quote is maybe fake.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah. You don't reinforce their ignorance by saying they are correct. Best to either ignore it or state the correct answer while avoiding or acknowledging their stupid.

    If it's a private conversation, attempt to correct once to test their ability to be corrected but ignore any future nonsense if they resist being corrected.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean, honestly, "EVEN" should be "ESPECIALLY", as spouting absurdities as fact to make one's next statements sound reasonable is a common brainwashing tactic.

    "I'm not interested in your 1+1=5 pyramid scheme. What's that? It's a religion? I didn't ask and I've now gone from annoyed to feeling threatened. Please stop talking to me."

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    spouting absurdities as fact to make one's next statements sound reasonable is a common brainwashing tactic.

    Yeah, it's how Ben Shapiro keeps "winning" debates with college students who aren't familiar enough with rhetorical fallacies:

    "let's say that [absurdly incorrect but reasonable-sounding on the surface assumption]", followed by a conclusion that's inescapable when accepting that premise.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    And of course everyone places themselves in the "intelligent" category and everyone else in the "fool" category.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'd argue that truly intelligent people are hesitant to put themselves in the intelligent category because they're aware that they don't know everything.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    The triumph of disinformation.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    This is the only world we ever lived in.

    It's just that the gatekeepers inherent in a broadcast world did a lot of the filtering for you (along with the intentional manipulation, selective dissemination of information and choices about acceptability).

    At this point I'm inclined to say this is worse, but it's hard to tell. It's not like that version didn't trigger its own rise of fascism or pushback on mildly inconvenient health advice. Still, this sure feels worse, and who has the time to go do the research to assess if it actually is, you know?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Were there already gatekeepers in the 30s? My understanding was that, radio being a new medium at the time, Hitler was able to do an infowars/Breitbart/prageru style of mass propaganda that was impossible in the existing (print) press.

    It's only after the second world war that radio and then television were strictly controlled by the state (albeit more in an attempt to unify and homogenize the nation here in France than to ensure the populace would be vaccinated of anti-intellectualism).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Gatekeepers aren't just public gatekeepers. Powerful private press outlets have controlled and filtered information for centuries. And obviously before that the relationship between rulers, church and printers was a complicated mess.

    So yeah, there were already gatekeepers, which doesn't mean you couldn't get around them, especially when new media is introduced. Unsanctioned press was a thing, even before radio.

    I do think it's refreshing to have someone online come at it from a European perspective, where gatekeepers are assumed to be controlled by the state. The US version of this conversation is so prevalent even not being American one forgets it's not the default.

    Speaking of gatekeepers, I suppose.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    To be clear, the state being the gatekeeper of tv and radio was a thing in France directly after the war, with the French government literally having the monopoly over the airwaves, but in the latter half of the 20th century they opened up the airwaves to private/independent entities. Basically, we also had a pirate radio movement that managed to turn public sentiment towards being in favor of a certain liberalization of tv and radio.

    Nowadays we've come full circle; billionaire-owned media dominates tv and radio, with a handful of more independent stations eaking out a living and meagre audience on the periphery. In a very real sense, advertising and chasing views got to us just like it got the USA.

    Re: gatekeepers, I guess I was more thinking about "hard" forms of it (in contrast to "soft"). You're certainly correct in stating that they've always been around in some way. Still, I think there is a meaningful difference in the case of television, as there were no "pirate broadcasters" to my knowledge even when here in France there were only 1, then 2, then 3 public channels (with about 10 year's wait between each of their creations).

    Maybe a better phrasing for my question would have been, did Hitler's radio propaganda more closely resemble todays's facebook and telegram groups in their unfiltered direct access to people's eyes and ears?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I genuinely don't know enough about it specifically to properly compare. I do know enough to tell that a lot of the processes of legitimization are similar, and certainly some of the content, but I couldn't place radio specifically as part of that loop.

    I think ultimately the difference is the decentralization. Even those "soft" gatekeepers are just a handful of people broadcasting one-to-many. Sure, the 20th century liberalization of media in Europe moved to a more business-driven media landscape, but it was still a handful of corporations plus the remnants of the public broadcasting systems at the helm.

    Now it's point-to-point dissemination, and the disinformation and radicalization is all about SEO and playing algorithmic selection in general. It's so much harder to stop. You can get radicalized right under everybody's noses and nobody will know what firehose of garbage is reaching you. Governments don't even have airwaves to regulate or own.

    I can't promise this is worse, but I can promise it's a much harder genie to put back in the bottle.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    im sorry to future you, please DONT read this comment...but ive started seeing this meme as a dude with a ghost beard and a fat body instead of a stick man.

    IM SOOOOOOORRY!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I have bad news: I think it's always been this way, see e.g. story of Socrates (especially the end).

    When people are truly ready, they more often tend to find what they seek. Speaking of, here's a cool related story about Unearned Treasure (Wisdom).

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    if !not int; bool float= 1

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I wonder if long heated discussions are people just posting ai outputs. If they're not bots anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Chaotic Equality

    Everyone gets their own personal soapbox that can yell into the internet void.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    we live in an age of ego and aggression artificial scarcity and emotional unreliability for the sake for exercising hungry perverted blood hounds of people

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    fools who get tons of unneeded and undeserved worship and help then go and criticize people who need help the outcasts are the leader potential for the fools it's all ego manipulation zero compromise Don't attach yourself to a system of favoritism not even hate them if you must leave this hateful greedy self entitled solipsistic world behind of for good

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Oh yeah. I am tired of stupidity

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not a new phenomenon. Proverbs has a fee sayings about ignoring fools.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    The fools also upvoted this. The perfect meme.

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