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[–] 37 points 1 year ago (5 children)

??? ... David Suzuki ... one of the leading science educators and spokes person for the environment and science has already said .... IT'S TOO LATE ...

He agreed with the majority of scientists and researchers out there that already believe that we are already past the tipping point and that change is going to happen no matter what we do now. His message now is that we should do what we can now to deal with the changes that are going to happen.

https://www.ipolitics.ca/2025/07/02/its-too-late-david-suzuki-says-the-fight-against-climate-change-is-lost/

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  • [+] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Even a burning earth will be a better place to live than the fucking moon. Especially if we could deal with the oligarchy problem, but still better than living in a cave and relying on the burning planet for all 90% of your basic needs anyway.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The oligarchy is a function of capitalism. Capitalism is the problem, its what brought us here. That's the cancer. It's an inherently unstable system which cannot sustain itself on a long enough timescale. It will consume everything, then itself, then collapse, taking us all with it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Billionaires planning on going off planet to save themselves is a joke. Even if they built a bunker for themselves in a remote place is not practical.

    Once our planets environment starts killing us, we're all unsafe. Billionaires might last longer but their military and security will kill everyone including their leaders once society break down. When civilization dissolves it won't matter if you tell people you're a billionaire. The survivors will be the ones who take over violently and kill everyone else to save themselves.

    And even if you could plan on building a safe haven in space ..... you need tens of thousands of willing workers to build that and make it possible. As the world is falling apart, I don't think thousands of professionals will be dedicating their time to save just a few people knowing that everyone else is going to suffer and die.

    That's the silver lining to all of this ... as macabre as it sounds ... no matter how rich or powerful you think you are, we are all equally doomed.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Totally agree.

    Never the less something in me hopes for the survivors to finally grasp that cooperation trumps killing each other.

    And maybe, just maybe, it will lead to a society of cooperation instead of competition.

    Let a human dream...

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    At least NASDAQ just hit a record high so the capitalists are happy

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    All the billionaires are building bunkers.

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  • [+] 19 points 1 year ago (7 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I pray people stop having children.

    Edit: to the hexbear user who accused me of ecofascism and asked "which people should stop having children?" my answer to you is:

    Nobody should be having kids because the world is fucking ending.

    Reproduction is stupid, selfish and immoral when we literally have a time line of between 6 and 25 years for running out of fresh water and arable land, and we're looking at 4+°c warming this century.

    Hexbear is unfederated with piefed and I'm not going to torture my eyes trying to read this thread on its original instance again just to see if you respond, I'm pretty sure you're just going to accuse me of silly shit that doesn't make sense anyway. The last time I spoke to a hexbearer about antinatalism, they called me a eugenicist for talking about not having kids. Lmao.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Then there's even less of a future

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    The average carbon footprint for a person in the United States is 16 tons, one of the highest rates in the world.

    Each new life adds more carbon and pollution to this world and will die suffering ftom resource scarcity.

    How selfish can you be to bring yet more people into this hell world, just because you want to have a baby?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sure, we're on course for disaster. But pretending like there is a single tipping point and that we're Doomed (doomed, I say!) anyway, is just a convenient excuse to wallow in hopelessness and inaction. The truth is that we're still making things worse by the day, and every kilo of CO2 saved helps slow down the speed of the disaster. And those little efforts by folks like us, might still make the difference between 1 billion dead or 1.1 billion dead.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And those little efforts by folks like us, might still make the difference between 1 billion dead or 1.1 billion dead.

    Lmao, bro what sort of bullshit hopium are you puffing on to think the death toll will be 1.1 billion at worst?!

    Fresh water resources are depleting rapidly and arable land is being lost at breakneck speed. If the blue ocean event doesn't get us all first, the drought and famine will. Humanity will not make it out of the century.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's just a random number. No matter how bad it gets, your attitude can only make it even worse.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    The capitalist overlords love your compliance and willingness to spread optimistic propaganda to the proletariat. Keep it up buddy, a good worker is a hopeful worker!

    But sure whatever, go recycle something and buy an electric car if it makes you feel better. You don't have much time left anyway, so you might as well be a happy moron.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Pretty sure we're long past any hope of reversing this fuck up.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I really wish we would cut it out with the hopium already.

    There’s no approaching, the critical tipping points are well and truly behind us. The next step is nature showing her creative ways to get rid of the pest that we are.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (11 children)

    I don't think we're past all the climate tipping points; that'd start to cause runaway changes. Swift action right now would still provide a chance to lessen the impact.

    The worst case scenarios would be truly disastrous though, and would cause secondary human conflicts due to unavailability of basic resources.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (7 children)
  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Might be sooner. That article is from 2023, that was before the rush of all these new data centers, who all needs billions of gallons of water a day to operate.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Holy shit...I can't believe I hadn't seen that water article until now. That should have been the top headline of every news outlet, every day.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It was pretty big news on the day it hit the papers in the UK, I think it was front page of the Guardian.

    Everyone was shocked and horrified on that day about it, comments and posts everywhere, and then it faded away over the following days and weeks as more shocking and horrifying news about other stuff was published, till everyone forgot how shocking and horrifying this was.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    We are caught in a system from which there is no escape and which dictates every facet of human civilization. It will not stop until it has consumed everything, at which point it will collapse, crushing humanity under the flaming rubble.

    We are about to get great filter'd.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I think you should sell the earmuffs and heavily tinted sunglasses you’re wearing.

    It’s not front and centre, but The Congo and Sudan be are already there. So is the war in Syria and Yemen. And thats just the start of the drought and famine wars. It’ll get a lot worse fairly quickly.

    Four times you wrote “would” in those 2 paragraphs. I wish I could share your optimism.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    "Approaching"? lol

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    So, now will people get out of the way of geoengineering research? Or do we have to wait for the actual famines to start killing people?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    Why would I trust the people who did this with the task of geoengineering our way out of this? Because that’s who is pushing all of it. All of the major polluters are pushing that bullshit because funding research into nonsense is cheaper than reducing emissions. Sorry filks, we aren’t gonna stop pillaging the planet, but how about we reduce the sunlight that piwers the entire natural world instead? It’s the same as the many failed attempts at introducing species as biological controls, just on a grander scale.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    Why would I trust the people who did this with the task of geoengineering our way out of this?

    No, it's not the same people.

    And if nothing is done massive numbers of people will suffer and die. You're advocating for just letting that happen?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    How is it not the same people? What type of geoengineering are you referring to? The main thing I’m referring to is the use of sulfide (I believe, something along those lines) particles to dim the solar input. Which is being pushed by Bill Gates and co., which fuck him by the way. Other options include dumping chemicals into the ocean that would absorb more co2 and precipitate to the bottom, funded by oil companies and sounds just as terrible as blotting out the sun.

    No, I’m not advocating for that to happen, I’m saying there is currently no method of geoengineering proposed or in development that is going to help anything. ‘We should geoengineer’ is no different than ‘let the ai centers burn up the planet, they’ll solve the climate crisis.’ It’s more delay tactics when we need to just sop the consumption.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    How is it not the same people? What type of geoengineering are you referring to?

    Solar geoengineering seems like the most promising. It's largely being studied by climatologists. The people who are putting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere are industrialists.

    Which is being pushed by Bill Gates and co., which fuck him by the way.

    So because one particular person you don't like is involved, screw the science? Let the world burn rather than have it be saved with the involvement of people you don't like? Wonderful attitude.

    Bill Gates is a major philanthropist, BTW. Not sure why you pick his name out as specifically hateworthy.

    Also, describing solar geoengineering as "blotting out the sun" suggests you're not really familiar with how this stuff actually works. So when you say you don't think any of the proposals will help anything that doesn't give much weight to your opinion.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    You want to give me a brief rundown of how it works then? Cause all I’ve ever heard is using particulates flown into the atmosphere or using some form of cloud seeding to reduce solar load. The particulate one got tested in Turkey maybe? India? I forget, but the only thing I ever heard from that was it pissed off nearby nations and would require constantly dumping more particulates into the atmosphere. Purposely altering cloud formation as the other alternative I’ve heard of seems foolish. I’m not in favor, but I’d love to hear more details of what you think would work.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    No, I don't want you to give me a rundown. I read the works of those climatologists to find out about that stuff, they're professionals who understand what they're talking about.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ok, then give me a rundown. Or name a study or author whose work you like. I am willing to be sold on the idea, because apparently my description is inaccurate.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's a very broad field. You could start with the Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_radiation_modification, it's got links to specific sub-articles about the various types of approaches as well as sections on who's working on this stuff (and who's opposing it).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Cool, thanks. Yeah, after going through that I still think that’s a dead end with far more potential to do damage than to actually help, and stand by my statement that it is being pushed as a delay by the ultra rich, much like like superloop was to the california high speed rail or the vegas edition w the underground teslas.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    This, yes if the world did not pollute and all of us changed tomorrow it would have been the best, but let's not lie, this ship has not changed direction. I really think this will give us time and save the most we have to eventually change the ship's direction. We have basically already geoengineered our way here, let's geoengineer our way to a better world

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Ha, fuck that... It was years ago.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago
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    [+] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes, but the number of species that will go extinct and the number of humans that will die can be minimized by changes we make today

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Welp, we all saw this coming and knew exactly what to do, aaand we ignored it anyway.

    Humanity is only as smart as its dumbest citizens.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Before the Internet at least the biggest idiots didn't have a platform to publish their bullshit. Now we have the Internet and everyone can post everything and everyone can believe everything.

    Humankind isn't ready for global communication.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Actually trying to do something about it. I know it sounds glib but if every person tries to address one of the problems as best they can, the scales start to tip the other way.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Oshen, a British startup, intends to deploy small, self-sailing robots with solar-powered sensors in the subpolar gyre, where they will measure such things as sea and air temperature and wind speed. Marble, another British company, is developing drones that can monitor the position and size of icebergs, the location of the glacier front and the height of the Greenland ice sheet, three variables that are essential to accurately forecast melting.

    Both Oshen and Marble say their work is only possible because smartphone technology has made sensors and processing power cheap. Control systems that once required proprietary software can now be run using free, open-source code.

    That's really fucking cool

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I've been seeing articles like this for at least the last twenty years.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    “The mental model of the climate threat among key people—particularly in senior parts of government—has yet to catch up with the fact that the nature of the climate threat includes things like tipping points,” he says. In his view, no government is considering scenarios like ice-sheet collapse with the seriousness afforded to other high-impact risks, such as pandemics. In fact, Mr Laybourn reckons, with the possible exception of the Nordic countries, most governments have not really been thinking about them at all.

    Super ironic that the countries that are going to become much more habitable to humans are the ones most interested in preventing climate change.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If the major Atlantic sea currents get disrupted as badly as it seems they might, we'll more likely end up freezing our asses off in truly arctic climates.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Focus on the increasing whiplash, not the changing averages.

    Consider two identical regional climates that have the same average parameter. These two climates can have very different tendencies toward rapid extremes, one could feature much larger magnitude swings and the other could be a much more mild climate in comparison and on paper they might have the same average.

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    [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I’m a bit optimistic that insurance companies raising the alarm might make a difference. Protecting the bottom line is a gross reason to care but caring is good. The natural disasters worsened by climate change are not only costly when they happen, they’re unpredictable. Insurance companies gamble on predictability so uncertainty makes them lose money.

    Regardless, the concept is slowly but steadily gaining ground. In July a big conference on tipping points in Exeter attracted actuaries, insurers and pension funds as well as scientists and activists. Emergency services and humanitarian organisations are showing increasing interest, too. And so are the Brazilian organisers of COP30, this year’s United Nations climate summit, who are expected to place particular emphasis on the subject.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I feel like I've been seeing similar headlines for a couple of decades at least, and I think we passed a lot of those points many years back.

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