China’s cyber regulator on Thursday said it had held a meeting with Nvidia over what it called “serious security issues” with the company’s artificial intelligence chips.

It said US AI experts had “revealed that Nvidia’s computing chips have location tracking and can remotely shut down the technology.”

The Cyberspace Administration of China requested that Nvidia explain the security problems associated with the H20 chip, which was designed for the Chinese market to comply with US export restrictions, and submit documentation to support their case. The announcement comes as Nvidia is rebuilding its China business after Washington this month lifted a ban on H20 sales to the country.

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[–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

The CAC did not specify which experts had found a back door in Nvidia’s products or whether any tests in China had uncovered the same results. Nvidia did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

If you're going to make such a claim, you have to provide details.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the CCP's method for protecting the growth and development of local alternatives.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    USA has made similar claims against China, for instance Huawei and Chinese cars, and never been able to show anything.
    USA even made most of the world stop using Huawei in their infrastructure based on unproven claims!

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    That's why I think that this as an attempt by the CCP to protect local industries.

    I am assuming that if H20 becomes openly available in China, local enterprise GPUs will find it difficult to compete.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    China very much want Nvidia chips, but they have to work around American sanctions. So Nvidia has to make chips specifically to China. AFAIK this has been negotiated at the highest level between China and Nvidia.

    I find you theory extremely unlikely, as China absolutely wants MORE Nvidia chips for AI development not fewer.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago

    But CCP authorities claimed that:

    It said US AI experts had “revealed that Nvidia’s computing chips have location tracking and can remotely shut down the technology.”

    Which experts? Considering the CCP claims its American experts, there shouldn't be an issue with linking the research.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Everything has a backdoor! One of the many reasons why everything should be opensource

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    Can't wait for this to be generalized so that Easy Anti-Cheat or PunkBuster tell EA or Bethesda to lock your GPU because their faulty launcher detected you tried to play offline twice.

    Initially preventing "bad guys" (really big quotes here) to do "bag things" (AFAICT it's mostly lame LLMs, not actual dangerous military stuff, which for those they actually already have supercomputers allocated) sounds like a good idea... until it inexorably tricky down (unlike money and power) to citizens worldwide.

    I don't think remotely control CPUs or GPUs can end well for citizens. It won't be PC as in Personal Computer, rather remotely controlled terminals for whomever is in power.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Oooh spicy!! I wonder how much infra in China is powered by these chips

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This doesn't really make sense. Why would your computer give the GPU / NPU access to GPS location? Unless Nvidia is somehow embedding GPS sensors in their chips - which would be obvious to Chinese cybersecurity - this should be a simple software fix. Intel Management Engine is a genuine risk, but I think China has banned / restricted Intel CPUs already.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago

    It might be China trying to force their own companies to use Chinese hardware. I heavily doubt that it would include a GPS chip. At most some way to guess the location by combining many different types of information such as nearby routers /WiFi networks etc.

    There are crafty ways to guess a location without GPS. Though I have no idea what this one would entail if at all true.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Seems to make sense at a surface level. US bans chip exports to China. Then suddenly this one's okay, for some inexplicable reason?? And then also our government loves accusing other countries of doing what we are already doing

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Lol isn't that just standard protocol for every chip vendor now including Chinese vendors?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Governments have to pretend that its some huge slight everytime this happens unless it's isreal spying on the US for some reason. All the governments know the others are spying on them but you have to pretend to care.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    The more you buy the more you save!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    bill that would require chipmakers such as Nvidia to embed location tracking into export-controlled hardware

    How does this work?

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