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[–] 20 points 1 year ago

Great review - thanks for writing it.

I love e-ink screens and physical keyboards, so this looks ace. Almost like a cyberdeck but with all the advantages of access to android apps.

I wonder how easy it would be to 'de-google'.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Since it runs Android, you should be able to use any app in the store, right? So, let's say you need to buy train tickets, take care of banking, track package deliveries, check your PUK code, troubleshoot a wifi router, control smart lights, book a time for the dentist etc. There are a variety of random things where the modern world expects you to have either Android or iOS with you, so can this phone handle those situations too?

    About 10 years ago, you didn't really bump into situations like that very often, so you could get stuff done by making a phone call, using a browser etc, but the 2020s are getting increasingly app dependent. It's just wild how many things you can't do these days unless you have a reasonably modern smart phone with you.

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    [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Tip for regular android users: Install an alternative open source ROM such as LineageOS, GrapheneOS, Calix OS, eOS... They come without Youtube, Google News or any other addictive bloatware that cannot be uninstalled.

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    [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    thank you for an elaborate and in-depth review, enjoyed imagining owning it. although it has a lot of nice-to-haves (e-ink, keyboard, etc) at 10x (that's TEN times) the price of my usual phones Imma forget about it as soon as I click "post".

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I bought one of these for my wife and we she has unfortunately had to switch back to her other phone due to some bugs. It seems to fail to be able to make phone calls or maintain bluetooth connections frequently. She has never had an issue receiving calls though. I'm still working on trying to find a solution for her because her old phone is a Pixel 6a which Google just nerfed the battery into oblivion like they did my 4a. I swear they have it out for us.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I love a good e-ink device, but this seems performative. FFS, just get a dumb phone.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    What dumb phone has reasonable security and the ability to run Signal?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    How does one install or use Signal on any of these?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I've watched a couple videos on some of the dumb phones listed, as I was curious about alternatives as well. The ones that can install Signal are not true dumb phones and have android installed.

    What sets then apart is the physical form factor is still very much dumb phone. That means it typically has a smaller screen, and a number pad style keyboard.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Depends on the phone I imagine. Whatever you search for online will be just as good as anything I search for and regurgitate back to you. Why trust me as a filter for knowledge when you can search for answers yourself?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm precisely asking because my understanding is that a "dumb" phone by definition has no "apps". Signal is, as far as I can tell, only delivered as an app targeting specifically Android or iOS on mobile.

    The person you replied to asked for Signal and you provided a link.

    My understanding what then that you were answering their request. Was I wrong?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago

    A feature phone is somewhere in between a true "dumb phone" and just a basic smartphone. In practice there's a grey area, but feature phones can do some basic basic stuff with 2G and 3G data. Feature phones vary, and sometimes only have a carrier or manufacturer app store, so sideloading Signal and just not accepting video posts would be possible on a phone from 2005 or so.

    But since the feature phone market is very niche in developed countries, it's not the same as just all the phones running on one of two operating systems.

    To answer the question of how does one install Signal on a feature phone? It will really vary by phone. Likely just moving a JSON file or something onto a the phone, but just a guess.

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    android + e-ink is cool and probably will get much cheaper in the next decade too, nice review

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Thanks, and yeah, that's my hope.

    Android, without significant modifications, just doesn't seem suited to e-ink right now. Unless it's buried and I haven't found it yet, there no longer seems to be the "Reading Mode" I used to have in my Android 9 / Lineage 16 devices that would put the whole UI into greyscale mode. I feel like that would help the experience greatly on e-ink displays.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    But you mentioned the colour correction is set to grey scale, isn't that exactly what you want from reading mode? It's also possible to set your display to grey scale in the settings for "modes" so you could create your own mode there called reading mode and change the display settings for that custom mode.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    But you mentioned the colour correction is set to grey scale, isn't that exactly what you want from reading mode?

    I honestly don't know. Maybe? I'd need to try with another Android 14 phone (which I don't have handy right now) to see.

    When I took a screenshot on the Minimal and emailed it to myself (to view on my laptop), the screenshot was in color.

    On my OP3 on Lineage 16/Android 9, with "Reading mode" enabled, the screenshot was in black and white.

    A number of things could be different, but that's all I've been able to test at present.

    It's also possible to set your display to grey scale in the settings for "modes" so you could create your own mode there called reading mode and change the display settings for that custom mode.

    Either I don't have that option or it's buried under a different name/menu path.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    When I took a screenshot on the Minimal and emailed it to myself (to view on my laptop), the screenshot was in color.

    Just tested this, the colour correction only affects the displayed image on my device, not screenshots

    Either I don't have that option or it's buried under a different name/menu path.

    Not sure when the ability to add custom mode was added (I'm on android 16), but it's part of the menu that contains bedtime mode, driving mode and DND (edit: custom modes were added in one of the android 15 updates). You could use one of those preset modes and set the display setting for it to grey scale, but I've noticed that colour correction actually has a quick settings toggle, so you could use that with colour correction set to grey scale as a sort of reading mode as well. Here's what my modes menu looks like on my phone:
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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    android accessibility settings showing the option to set the ui to, among other options, greyscale

    Graphene (based on Android 16, pretty close to AOSP) has it under accessibility settings.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago

    Thanks. That's already set to grayscale out of the box. I guess what confused me was that screenshots were in color (when I sent them to my PC to look at) but on my old Lineage 16/Android 9 device with "reading mode" enabled, the screenshots were in grayscale.

    Apparently screenshots are no longer affected by those settings in later releases.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Great review, thanks!

    Are there any other phones with e-ink? Recent ones, I guess I should say. I think Pine had one?

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago

    When I was searching for a case on Amazon, at least one e-ink phone did pop up in the search results (clearly trying to piggyback on the search term). I've never heard of "Bigme" and it runs a much older version of Android 11. It also doesn't have the keyboard (which is something I really wanted for a long time).

    Edit: This one. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DGG5RSHC

    guess I should say. I think Pine had one?

    If I ever did see Pine having one, I'm not recalling it now. Maybe the Yotaphone (which is discontinued)?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is it possible to replace the battery or screen? How repairable is the device? Thanks for the review!

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Good questions!

    Sadly, I cannot answer either of them. I would assume the battery is replaceable with some effort, and I have no idea about the screen. Considering these are currently pre-order devices releasing in small production-runs, I would imagine sourcing replacement parts would be taking it apart and searching Ali for the part numbers. That said, "where there's a will, there's a way".

    I have not attempted disassembly, but there are two very tiny torx screws on either side of the USB-C port. My assumption is that removing those allows the casing to slide apart. Perhaps when I'm feeling brave enough, I may take a peek inside and document my journey with some photos.

    There also doesn't appear to be an iFixit teardown yet, and a cursory internet search didn't reveal any galleries of the juicy innards :(

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It looks great. But it's still the same price as a Pixel with GrapheneOS.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sorry if I missed it, but can you use "Google maps" or equivalent? I want to reduce my phone usage and having a simpler phone should help.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It comes with Google maps, but I use Organic Maps with it. It's got GPS and works fine.

    I did have to turn off the compass-orientation feature since it jiggled the map too much for the e-ink display to keep up. Haven't tried it for navigation yet, but I usually just listen to the voice prompts on that.

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Just saw this got crossposted.

    It does come with the full set of Google services pre-installed, so I'm not sure how good, out-of-the-box, this is for privacy. I've only partially de-googled it, but have to leave Play services enabled for RCS since group chats over MMS kinda suck lol.

    According to the FAQ on Minimal's website they do seem at least open to "mak[ing] the device more open to system customization in the future". Most manufacturers don't even acknowledge that, so here's hoping they follow through.

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