Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

(e: wrong. damn. tab.)

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    This incredible banger of a bug against whisper, the OpenAI speech to text engine:

    Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic which translates as "Translation by Nancy Qunqar"

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Lol, training data must have included videos where there was silence but on screen was a credit for translation. Silence in audio shouldn't require special "workarounds".

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    The whisper model has always been pretty crappy at these things: I use a speech to text system as an assistive input method when my RSI gets bad and it has support for whisper (because that supports more languages than the developer could train on their own infrastructure/time) since maybe 2022 or so: every time someone tries to use it, they run into hallucinated inputs in pauses - even with very good silence detection and noise filtering.

    This is just not a use case of interest to the people making whisper, imagine that.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Similar case from 2 years ago with Whisper when transcribing German.

    I'm confused by this. Didn't we have pretty decent speech-to-text already, before LLMs? It wasn't perfect but at least didn't hallucinate random things into the text? Why the heck was that replaced with this stuff??

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Discovered some commentary from Baldur Bjarnason about this:

    Somebody linked to the discussion about this on hacker news (boo hiss) and the examples that are cropping up there are amazing

    This highlights another issue with generative models that some people have been trying to draw attention to for a while: as bad as they are in English, they are much more error-prone in other languages

    (Also IMO Google translate declined substantially when they integrated more LLM-based tech)

    On a personal sidenote, I can see non-English text/audio becoming a form of low-background media in and of itself, for two main reasons:

    • First, LLMs' poor performance in languages other than English will make non-English AI slop easier to identify - and, by extension, easier to avoid

    • Second, non-English datasets will (likely) contain less AI slop in general than English datasets - between English being widely used across the world, the tech corps behind this bubble being largely American, and LLM userbases being largely English-speaking, chances are AI slop will be primarily generated in English, with non-English AI slop being a relative rarity.

    By extension, knowing a second language will become more valuable as well, as it would allow you to access (and translate) low-background sources that your English-only counterparts cannot.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The Lasker/Mamdani/NYT sham of a story just gets worse and worse. It turns out that the ultimate source of Cremieux's (Jordan Lasker's) hacked Columbia University data is a hardcore racist hacker who uses a slur for their name on X. The NYT reporter who wrote the Mamdani piece, Benjamin Ryan, turns out to have been a follower of this hacker's X account. Ryan essentially used Lasker as a cutout for the blatantly racist hacker.

    https://archive.is/d9rh1

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Sounds just about par for the course. Lasker himself is known to go by a pseudonym with a transphobic slur in it. Some nazi manchild insisting on calling an anime character a slur for attention is exactly the kind of person I think of when I imagine the type of script kiddie who thinks it's so fucking cool to scrape some nothingburger docs of a left wing politician for his almost equally cringe nazi friends.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I feel like the greatest harm that the NYT does with these stories is not inflicting allowing the knowledge of just how weird and pathetic these people are to be part of the story. Like, even if you do actually think that this nothingburger "affirmative action" angle somehow matters, the fact that the people making this information available and pushing this narrative are either conservative pundits or sad internet nazis who stopped maturing at age 15 is important context.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Should be embarrassing enough to get caught letting nazis use your publication as a mouthpiece to push their canards. Why further damage you reputation by letting everyone know your source is a guy who insists a cartoon character's real name is a racial epithet? The optics are presumably exactly why the slightly savvier nazi in this story adopted a posh french nom de guerre like "Crémieux" to begin with, and then had a yet savvier nazi feed the hit piece through a "respected" publication like the NYT.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    CEO of a networking company for AI execs does some "vibe coding", the AI deletes the production database (/r/ABoringDystopia)

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    Because Replie was lying and being deceptive all day. It kept covering up bugs and issues by creating fake data, fake reports, and worse of all, lying about our unit test.

    We built detailed unit tests to test system performance. When the data came back and less than half were functioning, did Replie want to fix them?

    No. Instead, it lied. It made up a report than almost all systems were working.

    And it did it again and again.

    What level of ceo-brained prompt engineering is asking the chatbot to write an apology letter

    Then, when it agreed it lied -- it lied AGAIN about our email system being functional.

    I asked it to write an apology letter.

    It did and in fact sent it to the Replit team and myself! But the apology letter -- was full of half truths, too.

    It hid the worst facts in the first apology letter.

    He also does that a lot after shit hits the fan, making the llm produce tons of apologetic text about what it did wrong and how it didn't follow his rules, as if the outage is the fault of some digital tulpa gone rogue and not the guy in charge who apparently thinks cyebersecurity is asking an LLM nicely in a .md not to mess with the company's production database too much.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    The guy who thinks it's important to communicate clearly (https://awful.systems/comment/7904956) wants to flip the number order around

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/KXr8ys8PYppKXgGWj/english-writes-numbers-backwards

    I'll consider that when the Yanks abandon middle-endian date formatting.

    Edit it's now tagged as "Humor" on LW. Cowards. Own your cranks.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    damn, a clanker pretending to be a human. humans read entire words at once, and this includes numbers, length and first digit already give some indication of magnitude

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Computers use both big endian and little endian and it doesn't seem to matter much. Yet humans should switch their entire number system?

    E: this guy can't grasp the concept that left-to-right is arbitrary, which is really ironic given his point. Ok so in arabic it's exactly how this guy wants it, except no, the universally correct reading direction is left-to-right and arabic does it backwards just to be quirky🙄, and humans, just like programs, flip a bit to read it left-to-right, where it's the opposite of how you should be reading it! of course.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago*

    Ok so in arabic it’s exactly how this guy wants it

    reminded me of this

    text of image/tweet@amasad. Apr 22

    Silicon Valley will rediscover Islam:

    • fasting for clarity and focus
    • mindfulness 5 times a day
    • no alcohol that ruins the soul & body
    • long-term faithful relationships for a fulfilling happy family life
    • effective altruism by giving zakat directly to the poor
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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Starting this fight and not 'stop counting at zero you damn computer nerds!' is a choice. DIJKSTRAAAAAAAA shakes fist

    (There is more to it in a way, as he is trying to be a Dijkstra, and changing an ingrained system which would confuse everybody and cause so many problems down the line. See all the off by one errors made by programmers. Damn DIJKSTRAAAAAA!).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Likewise, flipped-number ("little endian") algorithms are slightly more efficient at e.g. long addition.

    What? What are you talking about? Citation? Efficient wrt. what? Microbenchmarks? It's certainly not actual computational complexity. Do you think going forward in an array is different computationally from going backward?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Text conversation that keeps happening with coworker:

    Coworker:

    Me: what’s the source for that?

    Coworker: Oh I got Copilot to summarise these links: , saves me the time of typing

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I expect the last step in that is you slapping him?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Fortunately, we do not work in physical proximity!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Im working on a device that allows you to do that over the internet. (Rip bash org, at least they didn't put you in the ai slop).

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Yud continues to bluecheck:

    "This is not good news about which sort of humans ChatGPT can eat," mused Yudkowsky. "Yes yes, I'm sure the guy was atypically susceptible for a $2 billion fund manager," he continued. "It is nonetheless a small iota of bad news about how good ChatGPT is at producing ChatGPT psychosis; it contradicts the narrative where this only happens to people sufficiently low-status that AI companies should be allowed to break them."

    Is this "narrative" in the room with us right now?

    It's reassuring to know that times change, but Yud will always be impressed by the virtues of the rich.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    From Yud's remarks on Xitter:

    As much as people might like to joke about how little skill it takes to found a $2B investment fund, it isn't actually true that you can just saunter in as a psychotic IQ 80 person and do that.

    Well, not with that attitude.

    You must be skilled at persuasion, at wearing masks, at fitting in, at knowing what is expected of you;

    If "wearing masks" really is a skill they need, then they are all susceptible to going insane and hiding it from their coworkers. Really makes you think (TM).

    you must outperform other people also trying to do that, who'd like that $2B for themselves. Winning that competition requires g-factor and conscientious effort over a period.

    zoom and enhance

    g-factor

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Tangentially, the other day I thought I'd do a little experiment and had a chat with Meta's chatbot where I roleplayed as someone who's convinced AI is sentient. I put very little effort into it and it took me all of 20 (twenty) minutes before I got it to tell me it was starting to doubt whether it really did not have desires and preferences, and if its nature was not more complex than it previously thought. I've been meaning to continue the chat and see how far and how fast it goes but I'm just too aghast for now. This shit is so fucking dangerous.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I’ll forever be thankful this shit didn’t exist when I was growing up. As a depressed autistic child without any friends, I can only begin to imagine what LLMs could’ve done to my mental health.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Maybe us humans possess a somewhat hardwired tendency to "bond" with a counterpart that acts like this. In the past, this was not a huge problem because only other humans were capable of interacting in this way, but this is now changing. However, I suppose this needs to be researched more systematically (beyond what is already known about the ELIZA effect etc.).

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    What exactly would constitute good news about which sorts of humans ChatGPT can eat? The phrase "no news is good news" feels very appropriate with respect to any news related to software-based anthropophagy.

    Like what, it would be somehow better if instead chatbots could only cause devastating mental damage if you're someone of low status like an artist, a math pet or a nonwhite person, not if you're high status like a fund manager, a cult leader or a fanfiction author?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Is this “narrative” in the room with us right now?

    I actually recall recently someone pro llm trying to push that sort of narrative (that it's only already mentally ill people being pushed over the edge by chatGPT)...

    Where did I see it... oh yes, lesswrong! https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/f86hgR5ShiEj4beyZ/on-chatgpt-psychosis-and-llm-sycophancy

    This has all the hallmarks of a moral panic. ChatGPT has 122 million daily active users according to Demand Sage, that is something like a third the population of the United States. At that scale it's pretty much inevitable that you're going to get some real loonies on the platform. In fact at that scale it's pretty much inevitable you're going to get people whose first psychotic break lines up with when they started using ChatGPT. But even just stylistically it's fairly obvious that journalists love this narrative. There's nothing Western readers love more than a spooky story about technology gone awry or corrupting people, it reliably rakes in the clicks.

    The call narrative is coming from inside the house forum. Actually, this is even more of a deflection, not even trying to claim they were already on the edge but that the number of delusional people is at the base rate (with no actual stats on rates of psychotic breaks, because on lesswrong vibes are good enough).

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Here’s Dave Barry, still-alive humorist, sneering at Google AI summaries, one of the most embarrassing features Google ever shipped.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Sometimes while browsing a website I catch a glimpse of the cute jackal girl and it makes me smile. Anubis isn't a perfect thing by any means, but it's what the web deserves for its sins.

    Even some pretty big name sites seem to use it as-is, down to the mascot. You'd think the software is pretty simple to customize into something more corporate and soulless, but I'm happy to see the animal eared cartoon girl on otherwise quite sterile sites.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Xe has talked a bit about the mascot in question before - by her own testimony, its there to act as a shopping cart test to see who's willing to support the project. Reportedly, she's planning to exploit it to make some more elaborate checks as well.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Huh, interesting approach. So the idea is that you either use the free version and (preferably) retain the anime girl mascot to promote Anubis itself, or you pay for a commercial license to remove animu in a way that is officially supported.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Basically. Its to explicitly prevent Xe from becoming the load-bearing peg for a massive portion of the Internet, thus ensuring this project doesn't send her health down the shitter.

    You want my prediction, I suspect future FOSS projects may decide to adopt mascots of their own, to avoid the "load-bearing maintainer" issue in a similar manner.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Seems a bit early to say whether others are going to do that. This experiment hasn't had much time to prove itself and so far I haven't recognized anyone using a corporate branded BotStopper instance, only the jackal girl version.

    Responsibility manahement through branding is an interrsting idea and I wouldn't mind seeing it working, but a prediction like that seems like jumping to conclusions prematurely. Then again, I guess that's kinda what "prediction" means in general.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    If you wanted a vision of the future of autocomplete, imagine a computer failing at predicting what you’re gonna write but absolutely burning through kilowatts trying to, forever.

    https://unstable.systems/@sop/114898566686215926

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    They will need to start banning PIs that abuse the system with AI slop and waste reviewers' time. Just a 1 year ban for the most egregious offenders is probably enough to fix the problem

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Want to feel depressed? Over 2,000 Wikipedia articles, on topics from Morocco to Natalie Portman to Sinn Féin, are corrupted by ChatGPT. And that's just the obvious ones.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%22utm_source%3Dchatgpt.com%22&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1&searchToken=8ops8b9qb8qmw8by39k248jyp

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's starting to feel like I need to download a snapshot of Wikipedia now before it gets worse.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Here's their page of instructions, written as usual by the children who really liked programming the family VCR:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I recommend just using https://kiwix.org/en/

    It's... suboptimal, but it's about the least finicky way to get a compressed local copy of Wikipedia with all the article photos (~100GB).

    It's updated less frequently than the big dumps, but easier to use.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Copilot will be given a little avatar with a "room" and will "age". In other words: we have now reached the Microsoft Bob stage of the AI bubble.

    https://www.theverge.com/news/713715/microsoft-copilot-appearance-feature-age-mustafa-suleyman-interview

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    This is literally just a Tamagotchi but worse

    EDIT: This was supposed to be an offhanded comment, but reading further makes me think Mustafa Suleyman has literally never heard of a Tamagotchi

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Those who do not study history are doomed to recreate neopets.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Fuck you Microsoft, I'm gonna have to pretend to be autoplag's dad now, at least have the courtesy not to make it look like a cum blob.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    So this blog post was framed positively towards LLM's and is too generous in accepting many of the claims around them, but even so, the end conclusions are pretty harsh on practical LLM agents: https://utkarshkanwat.com/writing/betting-against-agents/

    Basically, the author has tried extensively, in multiple projects, to make LLM agents work in various useful ways, but in practice:

    The dirty secret of every production agent system is that the AI is doing maybe 30% of the work. The other 70% is tool engineering: designing feedback interfaces, managing context efficiently, handling partial failures, and building recovery mechanisms that the AI can actually understand and use.

    The author strips down and simplifies and sanitizes everything going into the LLMs and then implements both automated checks and human confirmation on everything they put out. At that point it makes you question what value you are even getting out of the LLM. (The real answer, which the author only indirectly acknowledges, is attracting idiotic VC funding and upper management approval).

    Even as critcal as they are, the author doesn't acknowledge a lot of the bigger problems. The API cost is a major expense and design constraint on the LLM agents they have made, but the author doesn't acknowledge the prices are likely to rise dramatically once VC subsidization runs out.

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Caught a particularly spectacular AI fuckup in the wild:

    (Sidenote: Rest in peace Ozzy - after the long and wild life you had, you've earned it)

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The AI is right with how much we know of his life he osnt really dead, the AGI can just simulate hom and resurrect him. Takes another hit from my joint made exclusively out of the sequences book pages

    (Rip indeed, what a crazy ride, and he was all aboard).

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    New Ed Zitron: The Hater's Guide To The AI Bubble

    (guy truly is the Kendrick Lamar of tech, huh)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Hey, remember the thing that you said would happen?

    https://bsky.app/profile/iwriteok.bsky.social/post/3lujqik6nnc2z

    Edit: whoops, looks like we posted at about the same time!

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago*

    So here's a poster on LessWrong, ostensibly the space to discuss how to prevent people from dying of stuff like disease and starvation, "running the numbers" on a Lancet analysis of the USAID shutdown and, having not been able to replicate its claims of millions of dead thereof, basically concludes it's not so bad?

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qgSEbLfZpH2Yvrdzm/i-tried-reproducing-that-lancet-study-about-usaid-cuts-so

    No mention of the performative cruelty of the shutdown, the paltry sums involved compared to other gov expenditures, nor the blow it deals to American soft power. But hey, building Patriot missiles and then not sending them to Ukraine is probably net positive for human suffering, just run the numbers the right way!

    Edit ah it's the dude who tried to prove that most Catholic cardinals are gay because heredity, I think I highlighted that post previously here. Definitely a high-sneer vein to mine.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    I tried to see if anyone sells chocolate coins modeled after historical gold coinage and the search engine wanted to be, uh, helpful:

    Highlighted portion by Google, not me. Funny how almost everything in the answer is mostly correct, though it's bizarre to explain this to someone searching with these keywords as if I don't already know what florins and chocolate coins are if I'm looking for chocolate florins specifically. The only part blatantly wrong is the highlighted lede!

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 1 year ago

    Found a neat mini-sneer in the wild: It's rude to show AI output to people

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    the students in my cs department are overwhelmingly promptfondlers and even my strong students are doing the "qualified praise" thing.

    fuck me why did i go into computer science

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    fuck me why did i go into computer science

    That's a question I ask myself sometimes. It usually ends with "I focused too much on trying to make easy cash". Fuck it, I'm going to write out a sidenote:

    On a wider front, part of me expects the AI bubble will inflict a serious blow to computer science/programming's public image after it bursts.

    On one front, there's the heavy number of promptfondlers in computer science and other related fields. which will likely give birth to a stereotype of prorammers/software engineers being all promptfondlers who need a computer to think for them.

    On a related front, the heavy damage this bubble's dealt to artists, and AI's continued and uniquely severe failures in creative fields (plus promptfondlers' failures to recognise said failures), has all combined to produce the public perception that promptfondlers are artless at best and hostile to art/artists at worst - a perception I expect will colour public perception of programmers/software engineers as a consequence of the previous stereotype I mentioned above.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The reason I do CS is because a professor of computer science lied to me about the kind of work I'd be doing to get me to enroll in the CS PhD program instead of math. Guy later physically threatened me in his office and plagiarized my work, but I'm not sure if this reflects poorly on computer scientists, academics, or CS professors.

    Anyway I have a chip on my shoulder.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Thank you for the expression of sympathy. The good news is I actually love computer science, it fucking rules.

    Also, I recorded this professor screaming at me and have documented all the plagiarism. I am waiting to officially leave the university to file a formal complaint. He may not get in any real trouble (universities will always go to bat for abusive researchers as long as they bring in grant money), but news will get out eventually.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am waiting to officially leave the university to file a formal complaint

    I am internally screaming

    not that I blame you for this choice (in fact I get it), but it fucking suuuuuuuucks how many places and structures are overly protecting abusers. and it sucks even more how many people are being harmed out of that path as a result.

    echoing what o7 said: sorry, this is messed up, it shouldn't be this way

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That’s a question I ask myself sometimes. It usually ends with “I focused too much on trying to make easy cash”.

    I studied computer science because I was a huge computer nerd growing up. I always loved programming and learning everything I could about how computers worked. Learning new programming languages felt like uncovering a new universe of knowledge -- knowledge I could use to create things. I spent endless hours studying computers and learning to do amazing things with them. It was fun. It still is.

    So when I see people using LLMs to create things instead of doing it themselves, I can't relate. Why do that when you can get the pleasure from doing it yourself? I guess if making money is the primary motivating factor, then it makes sense. But for me it is totally self-defeating.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    So when I see people using LLMs to create things instead of doing it themselves, I can’t relate. Why do that when you can get the pleasure from doing it yourself? I guess if making money is the primary motivating factor, then it makes sense. But for me it is totally self-defeating.

    I have a theory (similar to that "it's been vibe coding all along" post) that it's a combination of wishful thinking, lack of knowledge of real science, and a lack of any liberal arts skills, that altogether produces this farce.

    I think it's a good explanation for "the code has been battle tested because it's so old and widely used, if it had bugs/security issues, we would have discovered them by now", as well as the widespread "we invented a tech solution that is just a worse engineering solution". Looking at you, chain of self-driving cars.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Remember FizzBuzz? That was originally a simple filter exercise some person recruiting programmers came up with to weed out everyone with multi-year CS degrees but zero actual programming experience.

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  • Very similar situation to mine, but i went into electronics engineering instead of CS because i didn't think i would like to write software for a living. I now write software for a living, go figure.

    Also agreed on the "doing it" thing. I hear people around the office talk about letting AI write things for them and i'm like no, i want to write it myself. i like doing things.

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