F1 had a huge bump in TV after Netflix Drive to Survive, but most of those fans are getting bored with the poor racing where drivers are penalized for everything.

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[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (11 children)

good. it’s greenwashing and sportwashing anyway. let the petrochem oligarchs and dictators have their fun on their own.

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[–] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Greenwashing?? How?

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

The hybrid drive formula is green washing bullshit, as is the synthetic gas. In any F1 weekend, the fuel used on track is a fraction of a percent of the fuel used to fly tonnes of teams and equipment around, plus thousands of spectators.

The sport was much greener when most races were in Europe. The other lie is F1 technology trickles down to better road cars. Not a single example of this.

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[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What bothers me most about F1 (and other motorsports to a lesser extent) isn't even the direct carbon footprint.

Even if they get to truly net-zero carbon as a business (doubtful), F1 is primarily funded to be marketing for the petrochemical industry. Every week they go out and talk about the hybrids and synthetic fuel you mentioned as if they haven't been downplaying climate change and blocking actual clean energy all over the planet.

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[–] FishFace@piefed.social 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

OK... I think this is a bit of a non-sequitur for this thread.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

Not really. Liberty Media is a US bullshit factory that builds sports up on new audiences. All those new F1 fans are cluing into the fact that the sport is massive bullshit.

Proof:

This guy is hilarious and F1 fans get so butthurt from him.

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[–] FishFace@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago

Wut.

Calling F1 as a whole "greenwashing" (as the person above did) is just nuts. Thanks for explaining what bits are greenwashing, but I don't think you're telling me anything that shows how that comment really made sense.

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[–] lps2@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

Not a single example? F1 drove massive advancement in carbon fiber construction for cars, light-weight mono-body frames, turbo development which is how basically every ICE car meets emission standards, regenerative braking tech, composite material development - it's a pretty long list and F1 ends up being the development and proving grounds before manufacturers invest.

Hell, my car literally uses an aluminum monotub chassis directly inspired by F1.

There are a lot of faults with the FIA and the decision to spread races out all over the world including some very questionable countries and sponsors but that speaks to the business side and not the technology and engineering which has been quite impactful

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[–] dil@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 months ago

I thought wrc played more of a role in advancing regular cars

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

Everything you describe was adapted from common use in aviation decades before F1. Carbon fiber, turbos, aluminum monocoque, all of it.

regenerative braking tech

Toyota Prius, 1997. 12 years before F1, original patent: Detroit 1965.

Enjoy the Koolaid. Stop being educated by Netflix.

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[–] FishFace@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

So... those examples were not used in ground vehicles before F1? I genuinely don't know but it doesn't sound like you're really disagreeing.

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[–] lps2@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 months ago

It also doesn't matter where it "started", F1 invested heavily in advancing these technologies before they became available in commuter cars and the tech either would have been delayed or never brought to the consumer market without that investment by F1. I'm hoping we see the same thing with FormulaE and electric vehicle technology though I think they need to scale back the regs and give producers more leeway to experiment there

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[–] AmazingSUPERG@thelemmy.club 5 points 2 months ago

Plus the cars are trash this year. Too much battery management. It will take a few years to make the formula work. But then in 2030 the V8s are back. Poor product and people don’t want to pay for another subscription. I am not shedding a tear for F1. They knew what they were doing when they left traditional tv to go to streaming.

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[–] zabadoh@ani.social 3 points 2 months ago

ESPN, yeah I can see there's a cross section of sports fans who might be interested in F1, and vice versa F1 fans who wouldn't mind watching other sports.

But Apple TV? What kind of people subscribe to that? Probably not F1 fans.

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[–] jackal@infosec.pub 2 points 2 months ago

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[–] jwt@programming.dev 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I didn't quit. They stopped my F1 tv pro subscription and then they tried to extort me into buying a viaplay bundle. Now I watch for free.

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[–] voytrekk@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Despite this being a pretty exciting reason with the title race, I just haven't bothered after I wasnt able to renew with f1tv. They offered the product I wanted at the right price. I'm not interested in paying twice as much for a bunch of other stuff I'm not planning to watch.

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[–] hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I mean, I understand the sentiment, but:

F1TV Pro is $85 per year
AppleTV is $99 per year, which is more, but…
AppleTV gives you F1TV Premium, which is $130 per year on its own, and finally,
you can still use the F1TV app.

I literally haven’t changed anything about how I watch from last year. It’s certainly not twice as expensive.

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[–] BallShapedMan@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

This is my experience. We already have Apple TV so it saved me money. I still use the F1 app to steam to my TV and keep a tablet open on my lap watching specific drivers like always.

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[–] hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago*

This was the same for us — we already had Apple TV and I had the MLS pass, so I’m saving the $85 a year not buying an F1TV standalone subscription. And saving the MLS pricing as well because that’s been rolled into Apple TV now for no additional cost.

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[–] Scuzzm0nkey@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

The native F1TV experience has dramatically worsened recently though. I watch on a media PC through my browser and can not get the playback to work without disabling MultiView entirely.

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[–] voytrekk@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago

I thought I saw the process a $18 per month, but if it's just $99 per year, I might get it. It would let me watch MLS games as well for the upcoming season.

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[–] BURN@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

I paid $85, I refuse to pay more than $85. I don’t want F1TV Premium or anything on AppleTV.

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[–] hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago

Certainly your choice, but not a hill I’d be willing to die on over $15 per year.

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[–] NanoooK@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

I've stopped watching and paying when they removed third parties app. Using their official one with DRM I kept having stream issue, they downgraded my experience.

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[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago

I couldn't re-new my subscription, because of licence issues in Austria

F1 TV isn't working here anymore since last season already

Which is a pity, because F1Multiviewer was awesome

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[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

On YouTube TV the interface for fast forwarding is so fucked I had to cancel it. And the announcing crew is total shit.