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“When evil-doing comes like falling rain, nobody calls out ‘stop!’ When crimes begin to pile up they become invisible.”

German playwright Bertolt Brecht’s observation on the political apathy that engulfed Germany in the 1930s resonates with 21st century survivors of the Chinese state’s war against Uyghurs in its northwestern heartland, known by exiles as East Turkestan.

Germany’s slide into fascism brought book burnings and arrests of “undesirables.” It lead step by step to antisemitism, concentration camps, torture, and death. That brutal history echoes today in Beijing’s campaign against the Turkic peoples of its western regions – and in the silence of a deaf world. Only those who have experienced the terror first-hand and survived to tell the tale can hope to describe its full horrors.

Kalbinur Sidik (formerly Romanized as Qelbinur Sidik) is one such rare eyewitness to what many nations have termed a genocide. Her ordeal as a teacher inside the camps drove her to the brink of collapse. She escaped in 2019 ostensibly for medical treatment, hoping to reunite with her daughter in the Netherlands and seek asylum. Speaking out became her path to healing.

She told The Diplomat that “silence is not an option.” The faces of captives in her class have haunted her to this day. Since leaving, her mission has been to give voice to their silent cries.

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Her memoir, “Heart Full of Light” – a title reflecting the meaning of her name, Kalbinur – is full of horror and sadness but also memory, dignity and resistance. It is a cry against erasure and a wake-up call to a world that has not been listening.

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Every inch of the compound was monitored. If someone moved, a screen flashed red and zoomed in. “It was impossible not to compare them to animals in cages,” Sidik wrote of her students. “There was nowhere to hide. For them, or for me.”

The specter of organ harvesting hung over everything. Healthy young prisoners disappeared. Across Xinjiang authorities collected biodata from everyone aged 16-65. Mandatory DNA tests, bloods, iris scans, voice and gait recordings filled vast data banks, many believed for organ matching. Research later identified Saudis and Gulf Arabs traveling to eastern China for halal organs.

“Alive we were worthless, dead, and cut up, our organs were worth a ransom,” Sidik wrote.

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[–] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I’ve just heard of her now. I’ll have to read her book. And, she is not “American” so I wouldn’t discredit her so easily: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qelbinur_Sidik

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I mean sure but also its not the netherlands is a trustworthy country either with anything. They're current prime minster for example supported the war on iran and is currently focusing on cutting social spending and increasing military spending,

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    I love posts like this. all the Chinese bots come out and it's like blocking fish in a barrel.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (47 children)
  • [–] [S] 38 points 2 months ago (42 children)

    Please stop citing sources that are explicitly pro-China and pro-Russian, and, therefore, anti-democratic.

    Greyzone is well-known to hire ex-'editors from Russia's propaganda outlets RT and Sputnik, among them are Mohamed Elmaazi, Dan Cohen, Rania Khalek, Kit Klarenberg, Jeremy Loffredo, Wyatt Reed, Anya Parampil, Alex Rubinstein (you'll find a lot of articles by them on the website).

    Greyzone has also frequently echoing Chinese Communist Party propaganda, the outlet is even often cited by Chinese officials. As one article by ProPublica wrote in 2020,

    When Hua Chunying, a spokeswoman for China’s Foreign Ministry, tweeted that reports of mass detention camps for China’s Uighur Muslim minority were the “LIE of the CENTURY,” she cited an article in the Grayzone, a website founded by Max Blumenthal, a frequent contributor to RT and the Russian-controlled Sputnik news agency. Similarly, Chinese government spokesperson Zhao Lijian’s tweet that the coronavirus originated in the U.S. cited a website previously found by NATO to spread Russian propaganda.

    The independent media outlet Coda Story published an article on how Max Blumenthal, the founder of Grayzone, downplayed Beijing’s actions in Xinjiang on international TV. In Enter the Grayzone: fringe leftists deny the scale of China’s Uyghur oppression, it states,

    On July 25 [2020], Max Blumenthal, the founder and editor of the far-left news site The Grayzone, went on Going Underground, a current affairs show broadcast by the Russian state-controlled TV channel RT. On air, he questioned the scale of the detention of Uyghurs in camps in China’s northwestern Xinjiang province ...

    Blumenthal’s statements met with outrage online and many social media users accused him of ignoring one of the largest-scale human rights violations of the 21st century ...

    There is much more across the web. Your sources are outright rubbish.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (41 children)

    Stop posting sources that are explicitly pro-west and anti-China, as there's nothing more antidemocratic than governments run by the rich.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (40 children)

    You imply therefore that Xi or Putin are poor/working class?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (38 children)

    Are you unfamiliar with western politics? The working class has absolutely no representation. There's political theatre which serves to keep everyone as divided as possible, and plenty of fear mongering such as the disinformation here.

    You're bringing up single entities which are just a part of the giant systems. I'm not as familiar with modern Russian politics, but the Chinese people absolutely have a voice, and their quality of life has sky rocketed in the past 30 years. Meanwhile the quality of life in the west has tanked.

    What side of the class war are you on? China and Russia are not our enemies. China, especially, is an ally of the working class.

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  • [–] [S] 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    Are you unfamiliar with western politics? The working class has absolutely no representation ... but the Chinese people absolutely have a voice.

    What holds you and the majority of 'tankies' back then? Why aren't they emigrating to China or Russia? I heard the latter they are desperately looking for new citizens of late.

    Edit: Btw, China's Xi Jinping has frequently confirmed that he rejects social welfare as it would make people 'lazy'. Both wealth and income inequality have been sharply rising in China over the last decade and have now reached U.S. levels.

    What we call a social safety net including healthcare, education, elderly care comes mainly from the wider family in China and sometimes from local villages in the rural areas. The Chinese Communist Party's widely proclaimed "socialism with Chinese characteristics" exists at best on paper, as the state never developed a system for social welfare and workers's rights that comes even remotely to the high standards in many Western democracies.

    China's hukou system of residency compounds many social problems, stopping many rural migrants from obtaining urban residency and thus preventing them from accessing higher quality urban social services (Hukou is sort of a registration, but also classification system, employed to assign urban or specific rural residency status and, with it, an individual’s eligibility to obtain services).

    The workers in China are represented by the All-China Federation of Trade Unions (ACFTU). It is the only trade union that is allowed in China - and it is led by Chinese Communist Party. China's '996 working culture' is legendary, and something that is prohibited by Western labour laws.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    China’s ‘996 working culture’ is legendary, and something that is prohibited by Western labour laws.

    The 996 working culture that has been illegal for years in china?

    I know many people who are forced to work 80 hour weeks to make ends meet in the west, and fail to even do that. Wtf are you talking about lol?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    "Oh one bad system exists so the other similar bad system must be good."

    If 996 being 'illegal' matters why is it still such a big problem? Maybe capitalism 'with Chinese characteristics' is the problem, much like everywhere else?

    Centralized power is inherently corrupt and dangerous. It doesn't matter what colour flag you drape over it.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    I'm on the side of the working class. And based on the evidence both Xi and Putin are running a kleptocratic circus at the expense of working class. While you apparently think they are any better the others, and focusing on this difference you deny human suffering.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    What evidence is there that Xi is running a kleptocratic circus at the expense of the working class? In the last 40 years 800,000,000 people were lifted out of poverty.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    Last time I checked, Xi Jinping is the president of China since 2013, and was VP from 2008. Either way not 40 years.

    So, for starters you are commenting on thread about forcing people into labor camps. Many of them are workers who have no rights purely on behalf of their cultural affiliation.

    On top of that, China absolutely nipped independent trade unions in their buds, and though local protests are often let go, almost every non party aligned labor rights activist had disappeared.

    Current China economy can be attributed to Xi. Xi's real impact on Cultural Revolution is transition from 996 to tang ping and to bai lan.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    If it makes you feel better to consume western disinformation, have at it. It's just the same shit as usual, though. You'd think for millions billions of dollhairs they'd be able to spice it up a bit.

    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/china-cold-war-2669160202/

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    To stand by your words, can you please show any evidence of Chinese trade union other than All-China Federation Of Trade Unions?

    With youth unemployment rate at 14%, how does ACFTU support them?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I never said there was more than one union.

    You're thinking like a westerner. Where everyone is trying to exploit you, and leave you washed up, if you even make it to retirement age.

    Unions in the west are to protect you from the capitalists.

    It looks like they're rolling out incentives and assistance to resolve the issue.

    I'm sure you're trying to demonize China in some way, but I'm not exactly sure what you're on about.

    China has it's fair share of issues, but it's doing a fine job of reigning in the capitalist class, which is the number one worldwide issue. The west is literally run by the capitalist class. It's a shit show.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (25 children)

    You think the working class has representation in China/Russia?

    All states are the enemy of the people.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (23 children)

    Before you respond, google how democracy in China works.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (22 children)

    Can you provide a positive counter example?

    Pick whatever you consider to be the most democratic democracy in the world. Can you explain how democracy works there?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (21 children)

    Why are we skipping my request?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Maybe because by skipping context and relying on a broad call to ambiguous authority you are making a bad faith debate worse?

    A person could spend a year studying any large democratic system and still wonder at all the bullshit and lies inherent in such a system.

    So what are you actually trying to say? That your favourite system is not rigged for a certain oppressive status quo? Prove that it's the exception to the global rule.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (10 children)

    So you don't understand how democracy works in China, you can just say that.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Explain the relevant issue of democracy-in-china here or you are just being a troll.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Are you pretending to be stupid or are you being serious?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Ad Hominem, appeal to authority, diversion, sealioning, discernable contempt.

    I checked your post history to confirm, and it's all piss and vinegar and baiting, with regular propaganda talking points.

    Let all other users note that nonconfrontational is a textbook troll.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    🙄

    This person breaks down when asked simple questions and doesn't understand what democracy is or how to google how it works in China. They're clearly a troll.

    I didn't bother to read their post history because they're clearly not worth my energy.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    You like to pretend you understand how democracy works so maybe you could enlighten us instead of just flinging poo.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Do my thing first and then we'll do yours.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's pretty clear that everyone except you understands that "your thing" is nonsense.

    We've been asking you to explain what you mean by "your thing" and you just hurl more insults.

    It's kind of funny watching you dodge the question over and over again and without realizing what you're doing. It's obvious because Subdivide6857@midwest.social already provided several links to a high-level description of how democracy works in China https://lemmy.zip/post/69779902/28279982 and you still pretend you have a serious question.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Because your question disingenuously suggests that there's some clear standard of what democracy is or how it can be judged.

    Until we have that standard it's a vague word and there's no objective way to discuss how it works in China or anywhere else.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    @Subdivide6857@midwest.social

    You're citing sources under the direct censorship regime of the Chinese Communist Party. This is useless.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    If you think the information is wrong, you're welcome to post information that shows it.

    For starters you could even say what you think is wrong about it. Can you point at any errors or misinformation in any of those articles?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    What the fuck are you on about? How does democracy work in China is a pretty simple question.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    If this is all so simple for you, it should be simple to provide a working definition of democracy?

    The problem is that it's nowhere near that simple. You won't be able to find any definition of democracy that matches all the nations you want to think of as democracies while also excluding the ones you don't want to.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The fuck is "the grayzone"?

    Maybe nobody is listening because it's always from sources like this

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    [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    nobody takes the west seriously anymore

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Why do you suddenly care about Muslims? You've killed us for hundreds of years now. And why should we believe you?

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  • [+] -17 points 2 months ago (18 children)
  • [–] [S] 16 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    Please stop citing sources that are explicitly pro-China and pro-Russian, and, therefore, anti-democratic.

    Greyzone is well-known to hire ex-'editors from Russia's propaganda outlets RT and Sputnik, among them are Mohamed Elmaazi, Dan Cohen, Rania Khalek, Kit Klarenberg, Jeremy Loffredo, Wyatt Reed, Anya Parampil, Alex Rubinstein (you'll find a lot of articles by them on the website).

    Greyzone has also frequently echoing Chinese Communist Party propaganda, the outlet is even often cited by Chinese officials. As one article by ProPublica wrote in 2020,

    When Hua Chunying, a spokeswoman for China’s Foreign Ministry, tweeted that reports of mass detention camps for China’s Uighur Muslim minority were the “LIE of the CENTURY,” she cited an article in the Grayzone, a website founded by Max Blumenthal, a frequent contributor to RT and the Russian-controlled Sputnik news agency. Similarly, Chinese government spokesperson Zhao Lijian’s tweet that the coronavirus originated in the U.S. cited a website previously found by NATO to spread Russian propaganda.

    The independent media outlet Coda Story published an article on how Max Blumenthal, the founder of Grayzone, downplayed Beijing’s actions in Xinjiang on international TV. In Enter the Grayzone: fringe leftists deny the scale of China’s Uyghur oppression, it states,

    On July 25 [2020], Max Blumenthal, the founder and editor of the far-left news site The Grayzone, went on Going Underground, a current affairs show broadcast by the Russian state-controlled TV channel RT. On air, he questioned the scale of the detention of Uyghurs in camps in China’s northwestern Xinjiang province ...

    Blumenthal’s statements met with outrage online and many social media users accused him of ignoring one of the largest-scale human rights violations of the 21st century ...

    There is much more across the web. Your sources are outright rubbish.

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  • [+] -10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Stop posting sources that are explicitly pro-west and anti-China, as there's nothing more antidemocratic than governments run by the rich.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Anything negative about China is western propaganda. It is indeed a utopia where every last citizen is healthy and happy all the time always. . . Or else.

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  • [+] -11 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    That's rich coming from you, Hotz. You exclusively post anti-Chinese propaganda produced by the Western empire and then say something like this without an ounce of self awareness. Orientalism is a form of racism.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Anything negative about China is western propaganda. It is indeed a utopia where every last citizen is healthy and happy all the time always. . . Or else.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    There's plenty that's negative about China and it gets reported on by non-Western sources fairly accurately. And then there's Western reporting which has been lying about China for literally 200 years when the drug dealing merchant marines of Europe got upset that China banned opium and used their ownership of the privately operated newspapers to convince the crown to launch a war against China to protect their drug dealing.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    What about accurate Chinese reporting about negatives in China?

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Sure that exists too. Not in the same way that Jeff Bezos can buy a whole news company that can slander politicians and build the case for the rich to control everything without oversight, but it's not like China doesn't have investigative journalism. It's incredibly limited, but it exists.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    It's also not like China is without it's own billionaires with strong government ties if not in government positions pulling their own strings. There's maybe a reason we don't all know their names offhand

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    China also executes their billionaires, and millionaires, when they do things that are against the public interest. Just because the billionaires run the government in the Eurocentric world doesn't mean they run the government in China.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    From my understanding this is more to do with their actions towards the government and their affiliation. For example Jack Ma who has minimal government affiliation so he's much easier to police than others who are more connected

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    They have executed government official for taking bribes as well. But they deliver punishment up to and including death for things like cheating on health audits or cutting corners that result in people getting sick and dying from tainted foods etc

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    Once again it's always who you know. If you're connected enough or have enough compromising info on the right people then justice can always be avoided. Someone trying to be slick without the connections or leverage can always get pinched. Doesn't matter the system, the game is the same. Ever so often there's a sacrificial lamb so to speak. That's just for show amongst the real movers and shakers and a statement to their competition to back off.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    How many millionaires and billionaires has the US or Europe put to death for their crimes?

    I know you want to say the systems are equal, but the evidence is that they are not.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The US doesn't punish such things with death typically. Maybe life in prison without parole. I will say US politicians seem much cheaper to buy.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    I think there might be only 2 people in US history that were billionaires and ended up in prison for life and both of them were for financial schemes that ultimately harmed a lot of very rich and powerful people. The Madoff story is pretty telling. He targeted the richest institutions and people, but a bunch of feeder funds target thousands of "middle class" families. Those families got screwed by Madoff, along with the rich. When the government stepped in to prosecute the fraud, they made sure to fix the financial situations of the richest individuals and institutions, but left the middle class out in the cold and those effected never recovered.

    Because unlike China, the US government was founded by and for the richest and wealthiest elites in the land.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago

    The interesting thing I learned from the newly released Tianmen footage, is that one of the leaders of the pretests was if Uyghur descent, maybe not in itself enough to warrant this treatment, but a reminder that the anti-communist party sentiment was certainly shared by the Uyghur population.

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